Before McAfee, the antiviral, you know, you were just saying you weren't a regular guy,

were you?

It's hard to imagine that.

Well, I wasn't exactly a regular guy.

I mean, right before I was working for Lockheed, but I had a top secret security

clients working on a black program for the U.S. Air Force.

I can't tell you anything about it even now else they would whack me.

But yeah, I mean, I don't know how normal that is.

I was working for NASA at the Institute for Space Studies in New York up on 85th Street on the way, upper west side of Central Park, Columbia University.

And I was 25 when I was working for NASA.

I've always had very high-profile jobs.

Why?

Mathematics has always come easy for me,

and computing is nothing but math.

Yeah.

So you were way out of the curve, obviously on being concerned about privacy and all that kind of stuff.

I mean, you really are a man of vision. It's almost incomprehensible. Somebody could see that coming.

And you probably don't think it's the most obvious thing in the world, you know, but to somebody like, I don't, it would, it would never occur to me.

What's the next big, you know, threat?

Next big threat?

Yeah.

We're in it right now, my friend.

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