Hi, this is Dana Steven Slate's movie critic, and I'm here with the Slate's

spoiler special podcast on Invictus, the new Clint Eastwood film.

I'm here with Daniel Cois from Washington, D.C., hi, Dan.

Hey, how are you?

Dan is a film critic for The Washington Post.

He also writes reviews for True Slant, and he writes occasionally for the New York Magazine

Vulture blog. So Dan, Invictus, Clint Eastwood's new movie about the South African rugby victory of what year are we talking?

When was their famous victory in the Rugby World Cup?

1995.

1999, yes.

Right, which was during the first term of Nelson Mandela's presidency.

So Clint Eastwood has now made a film with actually great casting here, Morgan Freeman as Nelson Mandela.

I wasn't even aware of how similar they looked until you see Mandela in the closing credits.

And Matt Damon as Francois PNR, is that how we're saying his name?

Who was the captain of the rugby team in 1995?

So I saw this movie last night and I desperately need you to help me understand why it's being

taken so seriously and given so much love by critics outside of the brand name of Clint Eastwood.

I just checked on Rotten Tomatoes.

I didn't actually read any reviews because I haven't written mine yet, but I saw that it has an

85% rating among the top critics on Rotten Tomatoes, which is somewhat foreseeable because

it seems

like Clint Eastwood can do no wrong critically these days. But I really feel like even if you are

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