Skeptoid #1043: The Men Who Walk Through Walls
Skeptoid
Brian Dunning
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🗓️ 2 June 2026
⏱️ 20 minutes
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Summary
The real story behind the CIA spending $20 million on PROJECT STARGATE to study psychics.
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| 0:00.0 | If you follow urban legends or science versus pseudoscience or any subject in the neighborhood, |
| 0:09.3 | you've probably heard that half a century ago, the CIA spent $20 million on something |
| 0:15.2 | called Project Stargate, which trained psychic spies to steal Soviet state secrets using only the power of the |
| 0:23.5 | mind. And to some, that fact alone is enough to give sufficient credibility to the idea of telekinesis. |
| 0:31.6 | The fact is that it's true. That investment was made. But I'm here today to put the whole affair into its proper perspective, and hopefully |
| 0:41.4 | dim its spotlight down to where it belongs. |
| 0:45.7 | And in our extended content for premium members, some key passages from one of the most |
| 0:51.4 | unique books ever published, a book which arguably kicked off this |
| 0:56.4 | entire thing. All of that and more is coming up right now on Skeptoid. |
| 1:05.9 | I'm Rachel Fulman, and I host a podcast from popular science called The Weirdest Thing I Learn |
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| 1:38.9 | whenever you're ready to get weird. You're listening to Skeptoid. I'm Brian Dunning from skeptoid.com. The Men Who Walk |
| 1:49.0 | Through Walls. Welcome to the show that separates fact from fiction, science from pseudoscience, |
| 1:56.9 | real history from fake history, and helps us all make better life decisions by knowing what's real |
| 2:02.4 | and what's not. Today, we have a story from the immortal annals of, the more things change, |
| 2:09.4 | the more they stay the same. As a science writer who spends a lot of my time correcting false |
| 2:14.6 | histories, there's one particular false history that seems to come up more |
| 2:18.9 | often than most. It concerns the days of M.K. Ultra and Project Stargate, when at the height of the |
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