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I'm Jonathan Kay, Quillett's Canadian editor.

Michael Schurmer is perhaps best known to listeners

as a prolific book author, as founding publisher of Skeptic magazine,

and as a famously effective debunker of Frauds and Charlatons.

But more recently, Michael Schurmer has been exploring broader themes, including free speech, American politics, and the radicalization of the social justice movement.

In January, Mr. Schmer traveled to Toronto to speak at our Colette social, and portions of his speech were contained in a previous podcast episode.

Before that event, I got the chance to catch up with Mr. Shurmer for a one-on-one interview.

And if it sounds like the conversation took place in a hotel room, you're not mistaken, as that's

the best we could do on our guests' tight travel schedule.

While the audio is not studio equality, I hope you will enjoy these excerpts from our conversation.

I want to ask you about a book that came out almost 20 years ago that you co-wrote.

It was called Denying History and to a large extent it was based on interviews that were done with

Holocaust deniers.

You interviewed them in a very factual way.

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