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Tally Ho, Tally Ho! Welcome to We Have Ways of Make You Talk with me, Al Murray and James Holland.

Morning Jim, how are you?

Yeah, and I'm not too bad, thank you. How are you?

Great, yes. You look refreshed this morning, whereas I'm sort of shabby and scruffy.

Wow, you had a big performance last night.

Yes, I did. I was very impressed. I'll tell you about that.

That's not for this podcast. We are joined today by a special guest,

who has a fascinating story to tell. So Jim, take us to our guest, please.

Well, we've got a very special guest, an unusual one.

We've got a motor racing guru, journalist, former top gear presenter, Tiffany Dell,

but he's got fantastic aviation heritage, it has to be said.

Yes, little secret in my background, yeah, look, I think anybody knows about, really,

that my great uncle was Sir Richard Ferry. So I've got very much links with, you know,

sinking the Bismarck and breaking the world speed record with my fairy heritage.

We've got very few people know about. I wanted to do a documentary about to bring

Ferry to the foreground.

Where are the great nephew of Sir Richard Ferry? Everyone would have known this a long time ago.

I mean, that's not the kind of hide under a bushel.

How come you've contained this?

Well, I'm not, I only wanted to be a racing driver, you know,

I'm dedicated by my entire life to crawling up the ladder to the cinema,

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