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Radio 4. My My cast away this week is Sir Clive Woodward. As England Rugby Coach he

memorably took the team to World Cup glory in 2003, the first ever Northern Hemisphere side to win the trophy, capped

21 times himself.

He well understands the pressure and the glory of top flight sport, which is just as well he's now involved in 26 individual

disciplines for team gb's 2012 Olympic effort it is he says the coaches job to

refuse to compromise. If you do, you will come second.

So let's just be clear then, Sir Clive Woodward, it's not the taking part that counts. It is the winning.

I think it's both custody. I think at the top level it is the winning, but I think just below

that there's a whole whole spectra of sport that is about the taking part, especially with kids, it is taking part, it is enjoyment and it is the old Corinthian spirit.

But the higher up you get, even at the young age, once you get into, it's your, especially it's your livelihood it is winning that's

everything that's why we love it.

Talking about the pressure of the event I want to take you back to to probably the most

scandalous episode in rugby's recent history which was just last year

Tom Williams, the Harlequin's player, crunched on a capsule of blood.

And it was a capsule of blood that had been acquired I think by the team

physio the team's coach knew that he was doing it I mean the pressure was

clearly felt at an incredible level by that team that somehow come hell or high water they had to win.

What did you make of it at the time given your experience in Rugby?

I was actually watching on telly and if you're involved in the game it was like a comic book situation

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