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For more information about the programme, please visit BBC.co.ukaucom.uk slash radio four. My castaway this week is Sir Clive Woodward.

As England rugby coach, he memorably took the team to World Cup glory in 2003,

the first ever Northern Hemisphere side to win the trophy.

Capped 21 times himself, he well understands the pressure and the glory of top flight sport, which is just as well.

He's now involved in 26 individual disciplines for Team GB's 2012 Olympic effort. It is, he says,

the coach's job to refuse to compromise. If you do, you will come second.

So let's just be clear then, Sir Clive Woodward.

It's not the taking part that counts. It is the winning.

I think it's both, Kirsty. I think at the top level, it is the winning.

But I think just below that there's a whole spectrum of sport that is about the taking part especially with kids it's um

it is taking part of his enjoyment and it is the old corinthian spirit but the higher up you get

even at the young age once you get into uh it's your especially with your livelihood it is winning

that's um everything that's why we love it talking about the pressure of the event i want to take

you back to to probably the most scandalous episode in rugby's recent history, which was just last year, Tom Williams, the Harlequin's player, crunched on a capsule of blood. And it was a capsule of blood that had been acquired, I think, by the team physio. The team's coach knew that he was doing it. I mean, the pressure was clearly

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