Hello and welcome to serious inquires only. This is episode 488. I'm your host Thomas Smith. And with me today is guest number one. I don't know. Lydia, how are you doing? Sneaking in. I'm good. How are you? No, I let you in. Oh, yeah. You didn't need to sneak. I thought it was weird that you crawled on the floor to get, that you armie crawled. You're like, the door's open. Yeah. I was like, you can just be on the podcast. You're like, shh. Yeah. Well, we've got a, wow, wow, it's a fun one for us. This was a

treat for us. It's also might be a bit of a triggering episode in some ways for sure. Why don't,

why don't you introduce it? Because our friend, our dear friend, this was so interesting.

This probably happened to some people just by the, you know, the power of the internet and the Kevin Bacon rules or whatever. But have you ever known somebody? And then just they went totally viral on something? Yeah. It's kind of interesting. It's the first time it's happened to us to this degree, I think. I can't think of anything else. I mean, yeah, to this degree. The sheer numbers are shocking,

honestly. So our friend Holly was recently harassed in a public space and, you know, don't want to preempt

her story too much. But having been fed up by that, she decided to film it and was angry and posted

it and it blew up.

Yeah, it's possible. Many of you've saw it. It's been a few months now or a month and a half now, but it was interesting. It was weird to see.

Yeah, definitely. Yeah, and we really wanted to talk to her about it because I think there's so many reasons why.

And for one, like, I, you know,

something this show has always cared about. I've always cared about any sort of Me Too stories.

And, you know, I think that there was a brief moment where Me Too happened. And then there's a

moment afterwards where everyone's like, has it gone too far? And now I think everyone's just like,

fuck off. Like that's- It's almost worse. Yeah. I think our society got to the point where we're like, we don't care anymore, like because Trump or something. I don't know. People feel like they don't have to care about anything anymore. It's really depressing. At the same time, I think there's definitely areas, depending on the subgroup of people, where things have gotten better and people are more aware. And it's like,'s just a weird segmented society thing now where it's

like I think people are aware in a lot of spaces, but then broadly speaking, it does feel like there's

also this permission now to be worse than ever and to care less than ever about women, about,

you know, non-white people, about non-siz people, just all that stuff. And so I'm always interested

in that. But it's also really

interesting to, we want to talk to her about the experience of not only, obviously, the harassment

she's been getting, but also the experience of putting it online and then that second order

experience. Yeah, exactly. Where it's like, how did that go? And there's definitely positives. There's definitely negatives. And it's just a really, it's a really interesting thing. And we love our friend and she's so fun to talk to. And honestly, I was noticing in the edit, you may hear me just like it sounds like I just come back in real quick. And the reason is because we're friends friends we trail off for a while and I'm like

okay let's get back to it and then I say something and then and then we had to edit that in so it may

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