And the Hello and welcome to Seriously Inquiries only this is episode 451 and there's no there's no tie-in to the book Fahrenheit 4521 whatsoever. This is unfortunate.

Could have taken advantage of that would have meant podcast millions.

But no, we'll just do a regular SIO, but not exactly because Lydia is joining us for this one and

So is Dr. Jenny Wu and rather than do an intro here and then another intro in the episode, I'm just going to get right on over to the episode in which all will be explained.

So right after this break, which you can avoid if you go to

Patreon.com slash serious pod to support the show get rid of the ads get the

bonus stuff here's our interview with Dr. Jenny Wu and we're joined by Dr.

Jenny Wu and I said we because also Lydia is joining me today. I insisted upon it.

I don't know. Apparently we're playing on not doing that seems weird to me.

So you don't have lived experience for this?

What do you mean?

Yeah, but Jenny, how are you doing today?

I'm doing well.

Thanks so much for inviting me on this podcast.

Absolutely.

I listened to a bunch of podcasts, I have never actually been invited to speak on one so I'm really excited to be here.

Very honored to have you. There's a lot here. So I just wanted to start by saying when we first start dating,

around when we first started dating, Lydia,

you had already had an IUD in, right?

It was like just before.

It was like right before we started dating.. Yeah and what's funny is like you told the story of getting it and it was like so deeply disturbing that it's genuinely stuck with me.

Yeah. And I don't know when you first mentioned it, but we talked

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