Hello and welcome to Series Inquiries only this is episode 354 I'm Thomas and I'm joined

by Matt Cameron. Matt, how are you doing today? Hey Thomas, I'm excited to talk about what

I think is one of the most interesting legal stories I've seen in years. Wow. Me too.

I'm excited to do my best to not talk. I'm going to try. I'm going to try. So fucking you

have no idea. I'm going to try as hard as I possibly can for two reasons. For one, I'll

just start yelling and then for for another, I'm also under the weather and under the influence

of medication. So I'm going to try to just listen to you. That's that's actually good.

Are you saying you have something to say about? I may. I may have something to say, but

you know what? I'm just a guy, right? And but you can you remind people your experience

relevant to this story? Well, sure. Among other things for the last 18 years, I've been

doing criminal defense work. I actually specialize in cremigration, which is trying to undo

the immigration consequences of criminal offenses. But that means I spend a lot of time working

in the criminal system. So I'm very familiar. And certainly one of the themes we're talking

about. And I should mention as well that my primary life partner and best friend of 20

years is I was a prosecutor for about 15 years. And so we spend a lot of time talking

about this stuff. And she works on a lot of murder appeals. So I feel like by a smoke

process, I picked up quite a lot as well. I bet. Well, sounds like can't argue with

those credentials. So you're more than just a guy. Okay. So then like I guess we'll get

your view on this whole add-on thing, huh? No. Okay. We're going to talk about the development.

I imagine people saw this. A lot of people shared it with me. I imagine what most people

who haven't delved into this have seen was add-ons conviction was overturned back when

it, you know, was when we were in Scotland. I couldn't stop thinking about it and I kind

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