Hello and welcome to Series Inquiries. Only this is episode 346. I'm Thomas. That's Dr.

Lindsey Osterman. How you doing? Fantastic. How are you? Good. And there's no not attached to that,

right? No. Fantastic. Yes, huh? Yeah, we do the trademark that.

Well, today you may remember from last episode, we've got more on the turnaway papers interested to

learn more about what the data says on these efforts that people in red states have made to

intrude into the doctor's office and, you know, be able to impose their will on people who are

seeking basic medical care. Learn more about how that affects people. So really valuable information.

Why don't you remind us where we left off and what we're going to cover today?

The sort of broad umbrella is like, yeah, as you said, now these regulations and efforts to

decrease abortion are impacting people. In the first episode, we talked about abortion counseling

and how regulations interact with that in terms of the experience that abortion patients actually

have. And then we talked about the effects of encountering protesters on women's experience

of getting abortions. So that was really fun. Not. Oh, was that a nut? I don't actually know.

Was that enough? Fun is probably the wrong word. I'll go with not for that one.

But yeah, so today we're going to wrap up this series of papers by talking about one study

that looked at women's responses to viewing ultrasounds as part of their abortion care and a

second study on the out-of-pocket costs of abortion and insurance coverage for abortions in

this sample. I'm sure you're going to tell us, but are these medically necessary, medically

unnecessary, or are going to be a combination of both? You're talking about the ultrasounds?

Yeah. I guess they're basically always medically unnecessary, right?

Apparently so. In an abortion. I was going to say, I'm remembering that obviously we had a few,

but that was because we didn't know what was going on. And so we had to have one or two to see

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