You're listening to serious inquiries only. I'm your host Thomas Smith.

This week I'm bringing you an interview with Aina Nice Mangos.

She's at Nice Mangos on Twitter. Of course, she's a Pakistani Canadian who has had a blog for a long time.

She's also a brilliant illustrator who has done a lot of great work over the years.

I think we came up fashion I'm pretty sure

except other than the fact that she's ex-Muslim so that has put her in a kind of a different crowd and has also of course

made her a very popular target among some people because I've often said that ex-Muslims

have it kind of the worst of everybody because they get a ton of

hate from Muslims they get a ton of hate from atheists if they're not the right kind of

ex-Muslims so we've talked a lot about that over the years and we've had a similar

kind of distancing from certain people from you know I think we both were big

Sam Harris fans at one point and then you obviously changed for many reasons. Anyway, lovely conversation with

that I know. This was really a catching up. I think it's been far too long since we've spoken and I guess content warning parenting we talked about

I just had a baby recently and of course I did as well so we talked about that for

the first few minutes feel free to fast forward if you're not interested in that, but it was very fun.

And I also want to say that we talked about a number of things and I realized as I was editing

this show that because we go back away and because we've dealt in a lot of the

same circles on Twitter and all that and and kind of argued with the same people

and all that we have a lot that. We have a lot of

incidents and people we talk about in ways that if you are like a new

listener would probably be pretty confusing. So what I'm to do is I'll actually just pop in the

show notes I'm going to I took a note whenever there was a name we mentioned that

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