You're listening to serious inquiries only. Oh, Hello and welcome to serious inquiries only this is episode 172 I'm your host

Thomas Smith I'm so happy to have you here with me today and I've also got an

interview with Dr Keith Khan Harris he's written a book called Denial The Unspeakable Truth and it's about different

things that people are in denial of in the world. It's about Denialism versus Denial.

There's a lot of interesting facets there.

Whether it's climate change or maybe conspiracy theories

or other things, he's studied it and has some thoughts

and theories about what links these things together

and maybe what we can do about it a little bit. Really interesting stuff. So let's hop on

on over to the interview.

Dr. Keith Con Harris, how you doing today?

Dr. Keith Con Harris, how are you doing today?

I'm doing good, how you doing today?

I'm doing good, thank you.

Your book is called Denial The Unspeakable Truth, and I'm really interested in how you've formulated this and kind of what what can go under the heading of denial and what the commonalities are there.

It's an interesting way to frame these problems. But before we do that I think we should do a little basic background. What do you think?

I'm up for that.

Yeah, so tell us about yourself for listeners who aren't familiar.

Well, I'm based in London, hence the accent.

I'm a sociologist by training.

I've taken a fairly winding route to where I am now.

My PhD was on the global extreme heavy metal scene if you can believe that and I

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