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That's audible.com slash Wondery UK. Welcome to this special live edition of the Cynica podcast coming to you from the 2025 Columbia China Summit at Columbia University.

Hello, New York. Let's hear you make a little noise.

Thank you so much to Aiden, to Zhang Yu, to Annie Tsui for taking such good care of us.

All of the good folks here at the Columbia Greater China Society for having me and my two esteemed guests here.

This summit is taking place at a pivotal moment, not only for Columbia University, but also for U.S.-China relations.

Both the university and the bilateral relationship, the most important in the world, find

themselves well buffeted and embattled by the capricious whims of a certain U.S. president,

and I worry a lot about the future of both of them and of students like Mahmoud Khalil. When Annie Tway and her colleagues at the

business school reached out to me to moderate this conversation, we were all living then. It wasn't

so long ago in a very different world, and it was possible to title a session like this in the way that

this one was actually framed, which is, as you can see, bridging the divide, how the U.S.

and China can find common ground. This week in the midst of this awful trade war, the idea

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