Pushkin. This is talk easy. I'm standing for go-songwriter Wise Blood. About a year ago she released her fifth

record entitled and In the Darkness Hearts to Glow. It came out through the label Subpop. It's a second installment in her foreboding

trilogy which began back in 2019 with her hit album, Titanic Rising. If that record waited through feelings of impending doom,

hearts aglow seems to be set in the aftermath of catastrophe.

When there's friction in the world, she said in this conversation, that's when the songs come out.

And so with that guiding statement in mind, I thought it would be a good time to sit with

wise blood and discuss her prescient music, which she's been performing around

the globe over the past year.

We also discussed growing up at a household of Christianity and rock and roll, the influence of Nico and Sonic Youth and how she

charted her course in what seems to be a precarious ever-changing music industry

and a kind of prologue for this new record, she wrote that the song, some of which

you're about to hear, attempt to find meaning in a time of instability and irrevocable change.

Looking for embers, she wrote, where fire used to be.

And those lines have stayed with me this past week, and it felt like that's exactly what we need today and in the weeks ahead.

So I hope you enjoy this special conversation.

I hope you enjoy the music, whether you've heard it before or it's the first time.

Natalie, who goes, of course, by Wiseblood, is one of my favorite living musicians trying to make music about this moment,

which is confusing and difficult and painful,

and yet her work continues to meet the moment in ways few other musicians do.

That's all coming up next with our guest, Wise blood. You're going to be here. Hey Natalie.

Hi, Hi Sam.

Welcome to the podcast.

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