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Well you'll also find out terms of use. Simon Hughes is here talking to James Anderson

this week. Is it extraordinary for him? Simon, you also had fun talking to him actually.

Well it's just been a fascinating road that he's that he's trodden or or

travelled over the last 16 years. I remember watching that first match that he really came to

prominence in in Cape Town when he bowled out Pakistan with those four wickets and I just thought

that's the kind of ball I wanted to be and I never was anywhere near that good but that's what I

wanted to bowl. I wanted to bowl that late swing and I really wanted to know how he'd done it,

where he'd come from because he came pretty much from nowhere. He'd hardly played any county cricket

before he played for England and it's just been fascinating watching his evolution over time so

I sat down with him on Friday and I've sort of divided his career down into sort of four phases I

suppose. A bit like a mountaineer. It's a hard job business being a fast bowler so the first phase

of sort of two or three years during which he took that four for twenty nine because a bit like

being at base camp and then he had a bit of a period where they were mucking around with his run

up and his action and so on and he had a few difficult years and I sort of called that a slippery

slope because he was listening probably to too many coaches and going backwards at times. Then

he really scaled the peak in around about 2011 when England won the ashes of course in Australia

and during that period he was a phenomenal performer and he's remained at the peak really over the

last two or three years at times just below the summit if you like but able to climb it and scale

it every so often when England really need it but the interesting thing he says is that throughout

all that period it's been a systematic acquisition of vital skills. My whole career I've just tried to

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