Welcome to the Delling Pods with me, James Delling Pods, and I know I always say I'm excited

about this week's special guest, but I really am.

It's my old friend Simon Elmer of architects for social housing.

Well Simon, it's weird, I call you my old friend because you've been on the pod before,

but I reckon there would have been a time in your life when you would have thought I was a

complete wanker and or at least your ideological opponent because for years I used to think of

myself as being on this thing called the right and you, I imagine, thought of yourself as being

on the left and I think in a different ways we've both come to realise that those concepts

are just illusory ones designed to divide us. Hello James, thank you for having me back,

it's lovely to talk to you again. Much worse than that James, a few years ago I didn't even know who

you were, which is even worse than thinking you were on the right, as well as you didn't know who I

was either. But yes, I mean, I did energy a little while ago and I was reflecting on the fact that one

of my, one of the people I've published an article with is Conservative Woman, which I think my friends

would have found very amusing a few years ago. I think because of the, we talked about this last

time, the work I did with architects for social housing, which is based in London, most of the work we

did was against Labour councils, demolishing council estates, which is primarily what they do at

the moment. So my belief in any kind of opposition between at least the official left and the

official right died, well, well, before this, I think in a way, I was very beginning to doubt that,

I think I, I still had a bit of faith that they were non-labor affiliated left organisations,

but my faith in them has also disappeared with their complete collaboration with what I'm

going on over the last three years. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I think it is, we probably made this

point in the last time. It's not really about left-wing rights, it's about them, the us.

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