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hello and welcome to full disclosure a podcast project which frankly you should original podcast.

Hello and welcome to full disclosure, a podcast project, which frankly you should know by now,

was conceived entirely to let me spend more time with people I find fascinating than would ordinarily be available on the radio.

And, well, this week's guest, Simon Callow, thank you for doing this.

I'm a little bit surprised I've never interviewed you before.

You won't know this, but when I was a youthful gossip columnist, sweaty of brow and desperate of demeanour,

you were always incredibly kind to me at various parties and first nights.

Oh, good.

So thank you.

I'm going to repay the favour, hopefully, in the course of the next hour.

But also, you know, I did work in showbiz journalism after that.

I was show business editor on The Express,

and I can't believe I've never sat down with you before

because your career is capacious.

That's true. We'll begin at the beginning, which is an interesting childhood, isn't it?

It was, although one doesn't know that at the time, it's the only childhood you have any knowledge of.

But it was a sort of curious mixture of traditional and untraditional, I think.

Yes, I suppose that's true.

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