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The Psychology Podcast

Simon Baron-Cohen || How Autism Drives Human Invention

The Psychology Podcast

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Science, Social Sciences

4.4 • 2K Ratings

🗓️ 18 February 2021

⏱️ 70 minutes

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Summary

Today it’s great to chat with Simon Baron-Cohen. Simon is professor of psychology and psychiatry and director of the Autism Research Centre at Cambridge University. He is the author of six hundred scientific articles and four books, including The Science of Evil and The Essential Difference.

[2:47] Simon’s evolution of thought on autism

[5:19] How the social realm of autism has evolved

[8:12] The difference between autism and psychopathy

[10:26] The role of affective vs cognitive empathy

[12:37] How to navigate autism amidst cancel culture

[14:18] Having autistic traits vs being on the autism spectrum

[17:52] How autism drives human invention

[22:11] The “systemizing mechanism” of the brain

[24:03] The role of “if-and-then patterns” in autistic individuals

[26:41] Simon’s thoughts on language acquisition

[27:48] “The empathy circuit”

[37:28] The role of creativity in autism

[41:19] The Brain Types Study

[42:43] The biological basis of creativity and autism

[45:24] Why monkeys don’t skateboard

[48:12] Why language isn’t a necessary precursor to invention

[55:12] How Scott measured implicit learning and pattern-seeking

[59:28] Why Simon’s work has sparked some pushback

[1:01:04] How to support autistic people

[1:05:45] How we can nurture the inventors of the future

[1:07:18] Sex differences in autism

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0:00.0

Welcome to the Psychology Podcast, where we give you insights into the mind, brain, behavior,

0:11.5

and creativity.

0:13.0

I'm Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman, and in each episode I have a conversation with a guest who will

0:17.6

stimulate your mind and give you a greater understanding of yourself, others, and the world

0:21.8

of living.

0:22.8

Hopefully, we will also provide a glimpse into human possibility.

0:26.5

Thanks for listening, and enjoy the podcast.

0:34.3

Today it's great to have Simon Baron Cohen on the podcast, Simon is Professor of Psychology

0:39.2

and Psychiatry and Director of the Autism Research Center at Cambridge University.

0:43.5

He is the author of 600 scientific articles and multiple books, including The Science

0:47.9

of Evil, The Essential Difference, and most recently The Patterns Seekers, How Autism

0:53.2

Drives Human Evolution.

0:56.0

The Patterns Seekers, How Autism Drives Human Invention, Simon is so great to chat with you

1:00.6

today.

1:01.6

Thank you very much for inviting me.

1:04.5

It's such a pleasure to talk to you, I feel like we go way back to the Cambridge days,

1:09.8

I remember giddily attending your lectures at Cambridge and sitting in the very, very

1:15.7

back bench, you know, the adventures, and being like, wow, the great Simon Baron Cohen,

1:21.6

it was a fun time.

1:23.6

Great.

1:24.6

Well, I remember those times too, and it's good to sort of meet you again in the present.

1:31.1

Here I am still in Cambridge, where are you?

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