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Simon Amstell fought that hosting a TV show would solve all of his problems.

So he worked really hard to make that happen.

And so when I was on television and still sad and lonely,

there was this feeling like, what has this journey been about?

What, what have I been doing?

And so if you are giving up so much of yourself in order for this work that you're doing,

which is not bringing all the satisfaction that I thought it would,

then I need to be making different decisions.

It's bullseye.

This week, my interview with the delightful stand up comic, Simon Amstell.

On TV, he's prodded at the powers that be.

He's even caused a few walkoffs.

If you can't say these things on television, you know, where can you say them?

But despite the escapades, Amstell spends much of his time on stage and off,

looking inward and himself.

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