Standard issue for all women.

Hello, Jen here to talk to you about this week's episode of the Sunday Chops.

Being a mom is great.

I mean, notwithstanding her very dubious views about women and football and the fact that the term

terrible twos is simply not representative of the length of time associated with that particular terror.

I'm having a bloody lovely time mumming, but mumming is also

relentlessly challenging and impossibly difficult at times, not to mention the fact that

from the day they are born you become the most emotionally vulnerable you can imagine and you're set up to eventually

lose your children to adulthood, all being well.

Michelle Win Stanley realized that mumming wasn't the sugar-coated dream she'd been sold after she gave birth to a much-wanted

child in her late 30s and wrote a play about her experiences and those of others at

different stages of their motherhood journey. Her play Broken Water is now being shown at the

Arcola theatre in Dalston a decade after she wrote it and directed by

Nicholas Seamer. I chat to them both about the highs and lows of being a mom,

the losses we incur along the way and how much or indeed little has changed in the last 10 years when it comes to representations of motherhood.

I had a lovely time chatting to them about their experiences and I hope that you enjoy this as much as I enjoyed talking to them.

I'm joined by Michelle Winstanley. Hello writer of and Nicholas Seamer.

Hi a director of Broken Water play which will be shown at the Arcola Theatre in

Doulston from January 30th to February the 24th.

Thank you both for joining me.

Thank you so much for having us again.

There's a clue in the title, but could you tell us a little bit about the play,

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