Hello and welcome to this week's Sunday Chops. Mickey here, hoping you're all as well as

can be expected in the ongoing BIM fire that is human beings reign on earth. Come on,

alien overlords, it rains sand this week, so I assume your arrival is imminent. While

we wait, here is a chat I had with the brilliant Professor Jane Monkton Smith. Jane is a criminology

specialising in domestic homicide. She's also a former police officer, a Professor of

Public Protection at the University of Gloucestershire, and she's responsible for groundbreaking

work on coercive control and stalking. Her latest book is, In Control, Dangerous Relationships

and How They End in Murder, in which she lays out the eight stages of domestic homicide

timeline, it's the first temporal sequencing of domestic homicide and vital to help

in stop the appalling rates of domestic murder. Jane has interviewed people who have killed

their partners or ex-partners, mostly men, but also a woman, and the conversations are both

fascinating and fury-making. It is an outstanding book which should be required reading for anyone

working in the criminal justice system with cases of domestic abuse, coercive behaviour and homicide,

and indeed anyone thinking of embarking on a relationship, or already in one, or who knows

someone in one. Yeah, I think that covers everyone. And it's huge testament to Jane that despite

the subject matter, it is both accessible and engaging. But enough of me, you're about to hear

that for yourself. Hello, I'm joined on the Zoom by Professor Jane Monkton Smith. She's the author

of several books, including her latest, In Control, Dangerous Relationships and How They End in

Murder, which one is a book of outstanding importance, I cannot stress that enough, and two

lays out the eight stages of a domestic homicide timeline. Jane, hello. Hello. Thanks so much for

joining me. Let's start at the beginning. What got you interested in the subject? I did use to be a

police officer, and I think that had an impact on, if anything, I think I said it was like a

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