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Hello and welcome to the Witness History Podcast on the BBC World Service with me Mike Lanchin. Today we're going back to

1984 when one of the world's leading theologians the Brazilian Leonardo Bof

was summoned to the Vatican in Rome to face accusations that his writings were dangerous

to the faith.

This was part of an ongoing struggle at the heart of the Catholic Church over the controversial liberation theology.

It's September the 7th, 1984 and Franciscan priest Leonardo Boff is about to appear before the Catholic Church's high The Once known as the Inquisition, it was where five centuries ago the scientist Galileo was punished

for saying the earth turns round the sun.

Now at its head is the conservative German Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, who'd later become

Pope Benedict.

The Cardinal was made. The Cardinal was waiting for me by the lift in his official robes.

I greeted him in Bavarian dialect since he was from Bavaria, but he replied in classic German. in and read wall hangings until we got to a tiny door that led into a small dark room full of books.

I was told to sit down on a chair below the Inquisitor who sat higher up, so physically you are below them.

Did you feel nervous or intimidated?

Look, I felt very calm.

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