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And now, Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

What's up, everybody?

Welcome to Move the Sticks, DJ Buck.

And we're joined by our good friend Tom Telesco,

longtime general manager in the National Football League.

Tom, thanks for taking the time.

How you doing, man?

Hey, I'm doing great. Thanks for having me on, guys.

I appreciate you doing this, man. This is the first question I just come out right out the gate. What the heck are you up to? What are you doing? I got a lot of time on my hands right now, DJ. But no, I'm just trying to fill the void. You know, I'm a football guy at heart.

So, you know, doing things like this,

doing a little bit of serious XM radio with NFL radio and volunteering at the local high school, just trying to fill the football void. You got to see the C-Kings. He got the CDM. He got the C-Kings on. I know they throw it all over the yard there. there. We're the complete opposite. We're the complete opposite of Granada Hills. Complete opposite. They are throwing it all over the yard and doing their stuff. Have you ever played them, Buck? No, no, I did different class. Different weeks. No, but when you were at, maybe your previous stop. Notre Dame, no, when I was at Notre Dame, we never had a chance to see him. But at the time, they had the quarterback. I think they had Garbers. And they had John Humphers. Yeah. And I think John Humphreys had a wide receiver that. He might have had 120-some receptions because they throw it, DJ literally. They throw it every down. It's a four-hour, it's a four-hour commitment. It's a four-hour commitment when you're going to. We're in Orange County. We got quarterbacks and receivers all over the place down here. We have a hard time finding offensive defensive linemen, but we can throw it. That's fantastic. There's luxury car dealers in Orange County.

There's insurance salesmen. There's private quarterback coaches. Those are the very largest industries in Orange County. One of the things I want to hit you on, because we were talking about

this the other day, about some of the stuff, the comments from Robert Sala last week and how that

ended up being kind of a kerfuffle, which seemed like much to do about

nothing when the way me and Buck were looking at, because this is, this has been part of football

for for so long in terms of trying to get signals. And we even mentioned it before me,

you and I had a conversation off the air. Buck was like, oh, the Colts were the reputation as

being the absolute best at being able to do this. Howard Mud got a lot of the credit, but it was a lot more that went into that. Wasn't there, Tom? Yeah, I mean, first of all, when I saw that comments, like, what are we doing here? Because like, this is 2025. We have coached to player communications and helmets. So there really shouldn't be a whole lot of signaling unless you're in no huddle situation. I think you're talking about shifts. So in other words, like if we were to shift and then they were to change, they were to signal to change coverage or change, you know, what they were doing with the front. That's why they were trying to motion and shift to see if they could get them to give a hand signal to change a check or change a call. Yeah, I mean, maybe. And that's probably the case. But yeah, I mean, going back to, you know, pre, I guess it would be pre 2008 because Spygate was 2007, that could be a different show. But yeah, so when I was a pro scout, like I'm on the road doing advances and, you know, I'm there to acquire information.

You know, I don't want to call, you know, stealing signals, but, you know, you're doing it legally with your eyes, with binoculars, with pen and paper.

And it was funny because NFL defensive coordinators, they were notorious for not changing their signals, not using multiple signalers on the sidelines.

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