In your own way, be a lion, and then we will say, and I am standing.

Yes.

I am in my own way, in my own way, I am.

I am Autumn Brown, a queer science fiction writer, a theologian, a mother of dragons,

and healing justice facilitator for social movements, living on Dakota and in a Shinabe

land currently known as Minneapolis.

And I am Adrian Marie Brown, a writer, student of miracles and love, emergent strategist

and pleasure activist, living in the land of the Lumby peoples currently known as Durham.

And this is how to survive the end of the world.

Our podcast about learning from apocalypse with grace, rigor and curiosity.

And we are well into our fifth season now, and if you've been paying attention and listening,

you know that what we're doing this season is interviewing movement siblings.

Other people who like Autumn and myself were born into the same families and have somehow

found their way into movement, into social justice or environmental justice work as

the labor that they do in the world.

And today we are so excited about the siblings we get to have on, one of whom you've actually

heard on this podcast before.

We have Makia Devatch-Sero here, who is a media justice organizer.

And I would say now an organizer in the realms of grief and community around grief and

what it looks like to grab our transformation by the lapels.

And so has been doing a lot of that as online and virtual organizing in particular these

past three years.

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