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Top Traders Unplugged

SI155: How to Create the Perfect Backtest ft. Richard Brennan

Top Traders Unplugged

Niels Kaastrup-Larsen

Business, News, Business News, Investing

4.8712 Ratings

🗓️ 28 August 2021

⏱️ 89 minutes

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Summary

This week, Richard Brennan joins us to discuss whether there are any similarities between Trend Following and other investment approaches, the benefits of ‘forward-testing’ a system, the art of ‘hunting outliers’, what the optimum level of leverage could be, how much total portfolio ‘risk-to-stop’ to aim for, some thoughts on margin requirements, and which other strategy complements Trend Following the best. We also took a deep dive into backtesting, touching on topics such as: how much we can safely derive from a backtest, why a backtest with a smooth equity curve should raise alarm bells, a good checklist to use when creating a backtest, and whether some level of curve-fitting may actually be required for a good backtest.

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In this episode, we discuss:

  • Which strategies would complement portfolio with 80% already allocated to Trend Following
  • Why 'forward-testing' a system can be quite important before going live
  • The art of finding and latching onto outlier performers
  • Leverage, margin, & total portfolio risk-to-stop
  • What information to look for in a backtest
  • How to avoid 'curve-fitting' (and could some curve-fitting be beneficial?)

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Episode TimeStamps:

00:00 – Intro

03:25 – A massive thank you to listeners of the show for leaving your 5-star reviews on iTunes

03:47 – Macro recap from Niels

05:57 – Weekly review of performance

10:59 – Trend Followers as hunters of outliers

13:34   Q1; Louis: Do you recommend starting a new model with lower leverage, so that it has time to adjust to the markets?

20:02   Q2; Aaron: If you had to choose a different strategy to complement your main Trend Following strategy, which one would you choose, and why?

25:03   Q3; Graham: How much margin do you use on different instruments? What total portfolio risk-to-stop do you recommend?

35:23 – ‘The good, the bad, and the ugly’ of backtesting

52:50 – How to make a backtest as objective and robust as possible

01:25:49  Benchmark performance update

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0:00.0

You're about to join Jerry Parker, Maritz Siebert, and Neil's Kostrup Larson on their

0:06.3

raw and honest journey into the world of systematic investing and learn about the most

0:11.0

dependable and consistent yet often overlooked investment strategy.

0:15.1

Welcome to the Systematic Investor podcast series.

0:23.0

Welcome and welcome back to this week's edition of the systematic investor series with Richard

0:27.2

Brennan and I, Niels Karst Larsen, where each week we take the pulse of the global market

0:32.2

through the lens of a rules-based investor.

0:35.2

For those of you who are regular listeners, our conversations are intended to give you as much

0:40.0

of the nurture and encouragement as the turtles got back in the 1980s, as Jerry likes to put it.

0:46.1

And if you're new to the show, we hope that today's episode will trigger your appetite

0:50.6

to learn more by diving into the back catalog and listen to all of the past

0:55.9

episodes that you may have missed, like last week's episode, which was also with Richard,

1:00.7

where we shared our thoughts on pyramiding and defining non-linearity when discussing

1:07.2

trend following models. Rich, great to be back with you this week as well.

1:13.2

How are things going down under?

1:15.1

Yeah, very good news.

1:17.3

As I mentioned last week in Queensland here,

1:21.1

we've been very lucky in managing this COVID-Delta virus,

1:25.1

but some of the other states around Australia haven't been so fortunate.

1:29.2

So New South Wales, they had a policy of not attacking the virus as soon as it sort of entered

1:36.2

their state.

1:37.7

And due to that sort of lag that they had in there, they're attacking that virus.

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