Shutdown Continued, The East Wing, The 9th Circuit on Portland, Arizona Sues Johnson, The Era of Group Chat

The Politics Guys

Michael Baranowski

Politics, News

4.4 • 783 Ratings

🗓️ 24 October 2025

⏱️ 55 minutes

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Summary

Trey and Ken start by letting Ken weigh in on the government shutdown. Ken argues that the Democrats are winning and are doing the right thing. Trey disagrees and sees Democrats as eventually the party that will back down and let people get paid. Ken doubles down by saying the shutdown will last until December when Republicans will then back down. Next, the guys overview the demolition of the White House’s East Wing. Trey is concerned about the larger issue of buying favor with the government for those who help fund it. Ken, meanwhile, thinks strong language is needed and suggests that what Osama bin Laden failed to do, President Trump did: level part of the White House. After that, it is a look into the 9th Circuit Court of Appeal’s ruling on the National Guard in Portland. Ken convinces Trey that Trump won the battle, but that it is merely a technicality. The court will eventually change because it currently is not ruling on the full facts. Then they discuss the suit against Speaker Mike Johnson to seat the newly elected member from Arizona. Neither host thinks Speaker Johnson is wrong, but they both point out that when she is seated, it will mean the discharge petition on Epstein will move forward. The guys close with a discussion of what The Atlantic called the Group Chat Presidency. What is the future of politics in an era of the group chat? The Politics Guys on Facebook | X Check out the excellent Sustainable Planet podcast. Listener support helps make The Politics Guys possible. You can support us or change your level of support atpatreon.com/politicsguys or politicsguys.com/support. On Venmo, we’re @PoliticsGuys. The Politics Guys is part of The Democracy Group, a network of podcasts that examines what's broken in our democracy and how we can work together to fix it. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	Ever wondered what power is.
0:02.0	Power is transforming the sun into your own energy source.
0:06.0	Power is getting energy companies to pay you.
0:10.0	Power is enjoying your morning coffee, knowing you created the energy to make it.
0:15.0	Well, you and the colossal ball of fire in the sky.
0:19.0	Because with solar panels from Hive, the sun works for you.
0:23.0	Hive, know your power.
0:25.0	May not cover all electricity usage roof and weather dependent.
0:27.6	Paid for surplus requires eligible SEC tariff.
0:30.8	Atheists, agnostics, long hair, widows, short-haired withers, van roared, love.
0:36.0	The government, the government, love. The government, love. Welcome to the politics, guys, a place on American,
0:43.8	and civil debate on American politics and policy.
0:46.6	I'm Trey Orndorff, a political scientist, Oklahoma Christian University, and I'm joined by Ken Katkin,
0:51.7	a professor of law at Chase Law School.
1:15.2	Ken, it's great to get to do the show with you again. Not that I hate Justin, but you know. Yes, it's been a little while, but it's great to be back. It has been a while, just a confluence of events. I'll be honest, though, just at the outset. I'm going to be, you know, normally I'm the optimistic guy and you're the slightly more pessimistic guy, I think, when we approach things in the show.
1:26.8	And I'm just not in a good place today. So you're going to have to be the optimistic one today, Ken. So you need to put on your best optimistic hat and convince Trey, you know, why he shouldn't just get back to sleep. I'll do my best. No pressure,
1:32.9	you know, no pressure at all. It's just teeny. Now, you know, obviously, everybody who's
1:37.6	been listening to the show, Ken's been out for just a little bit. And so he hasn't had a chance
1:43.2	yet to really weigh in on the
1:46.2	shutdown, which continues as of today, Friday, October 24th. And so I wanted to give you a little bit
1:54.0	of time to talk about that, Ken. But I will, just for those of you who've been under a rock on
1:57.9	Mars, you know, here's the really quick version of what's been going on.
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