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The Politics Guys

Shutdown Blame Game, Military Speeches, Troops to Portland

The Politics Guys

Michael Baranowski

Politics, News

4.4 • 783 Ratings

🗓️ 4 October 2025

⏱️ 63 minutes

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Summary

Mike, Tim, and Joey open with the ongoing government shutdown. Joey argues Democrats will be blamed because their messaging is fractured and influenced by the left wing of the party. Tim highlights ballooning deficits and sees rebellious Republicans forcing fiscal discipline. Mike concedes Democrats bear responsibility but stresses that Democrats have a good issue in the extension of ACA subsidies. Next, the guys turn to Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth and President Trump’s speeches to assembled generals. Tim admires Hegseth’s emphasis on ending “mission creep,” higher standards, and unity over DEI. Mike agrees with the focus on people and culture but criticizes the rhetoric as performative and partisan, noting that the broken windows analogy is outdated. Joey supports the speeches as effective in re-centering the military on warfighting and Western values. After that, the discussion shifts to Portland, where federal facilities have faced months of, at times, violent protests. Mike opposes violence but warns against overstating Antifa as an “organization” and sees the administration’s moves as smart but authoritarian politics. Tim stresses that crime and disorder resonate broadly with Americans, making this a political winner for Republicans. Joey frames Antifa as part of a historic leftist destabilizing strategy and argues Trump’s firm stance protects America’s institutions and values. The guys close with reflections on federalism, public perceptions of crime, and the risks of normalizing federal troop deployments in cities. Mike worries about selective enforcement and First Amendment issues, while Tim and Joey emphasize the political gains Republicans are likely to reap from crime as a national issue. Check out Tim’s Substack The Politics Guys on Facebook | X Check out the excellent Sustainable Planet podcast. Listener support helps make The Politics Guys possible. You can support us or change your level of support at patreon.com/politicsguys or politicsguys.com/support. On Venmo, we’re @PoliticsGuys. The Politics Guys is part of The Democracy Group, a network of podcasts that examines what's broken in our democracy and how we can work together to fix it. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Welcome to the politics, guys, a place for bipartisan, rational, and civil debate on American politics and policy.

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I'm Northern Kentucky University political scientist Michael Baranowski.

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I'm joined today by not one but two conservative counterparts. We've got Cincinnati

1:12.8

area attorney Joey Ashbrook and University of Austin economist and former congressional staffer Tim Kaine,

1:20.1

Joey and Tim. I'm glad to be here with you guys today. Mike, good to see you again.

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Yeah, same here. Great to have you outnumbered. Yeah. Or actually see you, right Or I just see you, right? We're seeing you because we're using Riverside now. We can see each other, which means I can't be as mean as usual. Exactly. Well, for me, I was thinking about this and I thought, I am outnumbered, so I will have to be like Fezic the Giant and Prince Bride. I'm used to take on multiple, multiple adversaries.

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Let's see if I'm up to the task.

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Let's hope I don't get completely demolished.

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But in any case, I'm sure we'll have a good time.

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But before we do get started, I want to thank Kevin, who's a longtime supporter,

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who recently increased his level of support, as well as Tammy,

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who's a new free trial supporter on Patreon, which is a thing you can do. So Kevin, Tammy, thank you,

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