I wish my team was more open and raw and authentic with what we're dealing with.

And it's like, got it. So you're doing that? Oh, no, I'm waiting and hoping for someone else to take the lead.

Men don't wait and hope. And I think this is a principle that we can relate to in many aspects of life.

Group accountability diminishes personal responsibility. You can't have a group of people

all owning it. Who's going to own it? Who is responsible to ensure that there's a change?

All right, Jay, we get an opportunity to do it again, man. I always somewhat appreciate Ryan being too busy for us. So we get to have these chats. How you been, man? I'm doing good, man. And I feel the same way, right? We don't being on opposite sides of the country, more or less. We don't get to talk too much, see each other too much. This is a nice opportunity for us to connect a little bit. And it's good for the men out there to hear a little different

perspective, right? Yeah, absolutely. Well, and I missed you, man. We had the forge event last week.

You went last year. I did. Oh, I think you went last year. Okay. So I had the same problem two years in a row is, is, well, I shouldn't call it a problem, right? It's, I, I, you know, Ryan always reminds me to be careful with the words I use, right? And saying stuff like, unfortunately, I couldn't make it or I had a problem, right? Because it's not a problem. And I think this is a good lesson for guys to learn, right? I had both years, my youngest son is a actor, I guess. He's into

theater, right? And they do a theater production every spring. And both years, it just so happened

that they were on the same weekend as the Forge event. So as much as I love the events and would want to be there, you know, one of my core values is family, right? So it's an easy discussion. And I kind of got, that kind of got reinforced for me the second night of the show, right? Because when I had spoken to Ryan, I had bought my ticket for this year, both years of events I'd bought tickets for and then realized we had the conflict. But when I bought the ticket, Ryan and I discussed, I gifted the ticket to Luke

Ireland in the Iron Council and we discussed that I would possibly still come out maybe, you know,

Thursday night after the first show and skipped the second show. And after talking to Ryan,

getting some advice from him, we both agreed that, you know, it was important that I'd be at both shows. And Friday night, after the second show, I had just kind of almost like, not in passing, but it said to Frankie, he's my youngest. I told him, you know, hey, the night before I told him five stars out of five, the show was great, right? And Friday night, I said, you know, I'm going to take a star back from last night

because tonight was even better than last night.

And he teared up. And I didn't make it. I didn't say anything about it then because I didn't know if I said something wrong. We were like right outside the show, right outside the editorial. But when we got home, I said, hey, did I say something wrong? And he said, no, there were tears of joy.

Right.

So that moment, I could never get that moment back.

And as much as the forge,'m sure was unbelievable it's never going to replace that right because how important is it for our sons and daughters to hear that we're proud of them and that they did a good job right how many of us of our generation our fathers just weren't built like that right the praise didn't come very at least, at least in my house. And I know my father loved me. I know he's proud of me, but it didn't come. Praise didn't come easy, right? So I think it's important that our kids hear that. And that moment right there, although seems at the time kind of trivial to me when I was thinking about it afterwards, I was like, wow, imagine if I didn't go.

Imagine if Thursday night I took a red eye out to St. Louis and I didn't have that experience

with Frankie.

So I think that's why it's important to know your values and it makes those decisions easy.

Yeah, at the forge event, I think it was Larry Hagner used this illustration.

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