It's easy to point out what's wrong in our world and our country, but Kathy Branzel says change starts in you and me.

And if you have no hope left for America, if you have no hope left for the church, just imagine what transformation would take place if we all just decided to humble ourselves.

This is the Revive Our Hearts podcast with Nancy DeMoss Walgamuth, author of Choosing Forgiveness.

For July 5th, 2021, I'm't know if you've noticed, but there's a bit of an epidemic happening in our country.

And I did use the correct word.

I know you're thinking, doesn't you know it's a pandemic?

It's worldwide.

Well, I'm talking about the epidemic of anxiety and anger. It is impacting my heart so

deeply. Do you feel it too? Well, Nancy, a few months ago, you and I gathered right here in the

studio with the president of the National Day of Prayer Task Force, Kathy Brunzel.

And we aired that back in May, a program on prayer and praying for our nation.

But when we were finished recording that, our hearts rose up with concern about this problem

of anger and anxiety in our country. Do you remember that? I do. And after we'd

finished recording, we just kept the conversation going. There was no stopping us.

There was no stopping us. And thankfully, our producers kept the, what do they do? It's not tape.

They kept recording. I think it's eavesdropping is what they did. If they

kept recording while we were having a girlfriend conversation, I think that's called eavesdropping.

And I'm so glad they did because as we've come to this month with a theme of kindness, the kindness of God and our kindness toward others, we felt this

conversation fit perfectly into that dialogue. I'm so thankful that we're able to air it today.

I think you'll sense the spirit touching your heart, as Dana, you and I both did.

And we had this conversation with Kathy Branzel.

So now let's listen.

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