And I went welcome to the political party. This episode features Lord Andrew Cooper, founder

of Populous, all-round polling guru and expert, posted to the Remain campaign, David Cameron's

former head of strategy and he was absolutely brilliant. There are times when it's doing these

shows, it's like having, it's like being on, I was thinking of this and I'm sure of

using this in an energy before, but it's not being on the best university course in the world

because it's me leading political figures and just asking whatever I want and they get,

I mean, Andrew was out of this world good. It's a brilliant insight into polling, into

I suppose why mistakes are made and how they're made, how hard it is to actually know whether people

are going to vote or how they're going to vote. It's brilliant and there are so many lessons

that come out with it, come out of it rather. More than anything, he's such an impressive individual

and such a decent and reasonable person. It is our man. It's so hard to, because every week,

it feels like I say this, but it really was and I was nowhere near long enough. And particularly

with polling and when you talk to an expert like Andrew, you talk to people who the whole time

is spent listening to the public. So even obsessives like me get so much from the media, but Andrew is

deeply involved on a regular basis on a range of issues, I've talked to the public, there's

some brilliant stories that come out of it and also quite apart from anything else, his own politics,

his own political journey and huge social changes that are happening here in America that are

hugely relevant. It is, I really felt like I thought, you know what? I didn't go to private school,

but this is the sort of conversation that you money can't buy. It was almost like I'm in the best

teacher in the world and someone who's really done it, I came away from it so thrilled.

Which is really important because obviously politics at the moment is in a particular state.

I mean, I think even if you voted, whichever way you voted, even if you don't vote, although I

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