Hello and welcome to the political party. Today's guest is Kate Fall,

former Deputy Chief of Staff to David Cameron

when he was in opposition and inside number 10,

and now a member of the House Lords

and sits on the Joint committee on national security strategy.

We talk about a whole load of things,

including the current direction of the Tory party,

what it was like for people involved in the camera project

to watch Boris Johnson run Britain and in the way that he did.

This is just a great, such an insightful conversation

about the current state of the Tory party.

And of course, what that means for the next general election,

but also mixed in with some memories and some reflections of working in number 10

for assessment of David Cameron and his talents and his new role

So this is a really good all-round assessment of the Tory party, its health and what's happening.

So without further ado, please enjoy this brilliant conversation with Cape Fall. Hey, your former boss David Cameron is in the news a lot at the moment.

He's someone that you've known for a very long time, and I think the main thing is that his presence, he really feels like a big character, a big figure and in a way this

presents a slight problem for Rishi Sunak, doesn't it?

Because one, it's good to have talented people who the public like in government,

but really the contrast between the two seems quite sharp in that David Cameron feels more like a

prime ministerial figure than maybe the Prime Minister I don't know how you think

about that. Well look first of all I think it was an excellent choice and you know deserves credit for for

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