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Hello, I'm Martin T. Political Party. This episode was recorded on the day that Joe

Biden was inaugurated as the president of the United States. And I talk about that

with today's guest Hillary Ben and the implications perhaps for politics here and what the Labour

Party might learn. But this is, as you would imagine, a phenomenal conversation with someone

who in his own right is one of the most influential and talented politicians that the Labour Party

has produced. And of course, is the son of one of the most influential and talented politicians

that the Labour Party has produced. So we talk about that about growing up as Tony Ben

and son about Hillary's politics, where they come from at what point they diverged and why

his timing government, his timing opposition and his time until recently as chair of the

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