Hello and welcome to the political party. Today's guest is Angus Robertson, the former leader

of the SNP in Westminster and someone who's bidding to be the SNP candidate for Edinburgh

Central in next year's Holyrood elections. I've had Angus on the show before, he's one

of the best guests I've had on, so it was a delight to get him back on because there's

so much to talk about. Even in the short time since I last spoke to Angus, it feels as

if though, as he puts it in this interview, the tectonic plates are shifting. Now that

doesn't mean that tectonic plates can't shift back forth and well, I'm not a geologist,

I guess they can move in both directions, some of that. My point is, I suppose, regarding

Scottish independence that you will have seen a consistent lead in favour of Scotland

leaving the union amongst those pulled in Scotland. So it's really interesting to talk

to Angus about this, not just because he's one of the SNP's brightest stars, but also because

he's been doing so much work with the think tank that he set up after he lost in 2017,

and we talk about that and just how much of a surprise that was. Not just for all of

us, but for him as well, but progress Scotland is a think tank that he founded to understand

the undercurrents of these opinions. And what is it that people who voted no to leaving

the UK last time need to hear in order to vote yes or leave or whatever the option is

next time? How do you get people who were anti-independence to become pro-independence? So

it's a fascinating conversation that talks about that and about how his think tank works

and about the sorts of questions they ask and the sorts of things they're trying to find

out. And he breaks down some of those stats by as by age group and that's all fascinating.

But also with Angus he's just such a brilliant talker anyway, so we talk about what he's

been up to since 2017. You know, the guy was one of the stars of the House of Commons

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