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The People's Pharmacy

Show 1318: Challenging Dogma About Alzheimer Disease and Depression

The People's Pharmacy

Joe and Terry Graedon

Kids & Family, Medicine, Health & Fitness, Alternative Health

4.61.2K Ratings

🗓️ 13 October 2022

⏱️ 60 minutes

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Summary

Examining the Basis of Neuroscience Dogma:

This week on our nationally syndicated radio show, our guests discuss the evidence supporting widely accepted ideas about Alzheimer disease and depression. Neuroscience dogma holds that Alzheimer disease results from the accumulation of beta-amyloid plaque in the brain. Moreover, nearly any psychiatrist, when asked, will tell you that SSRI antidepressants such as fluoxetine (Prozac) or sertraline (Zoloft) work by increasing the neurochemical serotonin available to neurons. How good is the evidence supporting these ideas?

Beta-Amyloid and Alzheimer Disease Dogma:

Alzheimer disease was first described early in the 20th century by neuroanatomist Alois Alzheimer. He noted confusion and memory problems along with paranoia, aggression and sleep disturbances in a 50-year-old patient. When she died five years later, Dr. Alzheimer conducted an autopsy and reported unusual plaques and neurofibrillary tangles in her brain. Others named this unfortunate condition “Alzheimer’s disease” (Dialogues in Clinical Neuroscience, March 2003).  By the end of the 20th century, researchers accepted the concept that the distinctive plaques, composed of beta-amyloid protein, are the cause of this common dementia. They devoted a tremendous amount of effort to unraveling the exact mechanisms, but so far the resulting drugs have not been entirely exciting.

One of the papers that has been very influential in shaping subsequent research was published in the prestigious journal Nature in 2006. Fifteen years later, another neuroscientist noticed something odd about the crucial images underpinning the scientific argument in this paper. How might this affect the beta-amyloid dogma of Alzheimer disease? Dr. Matthew Schrag describes what he found and what it might mean.

The Serotonin Theory of Depression:

We also examine the role of the serotonin theory of depression. For more than 60 years, neuroscientists have focused on this neurotransmitter as a potential cause of this psychiatric disorder (Current Pharmaceutical Design, 2016).  When fluoxetine, the first of a new class of antidepressants, was introduced in the late 1980s, it was as a selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor (Drugs, Dec. 1986).  Most psychiatrists would still tell you that is how fluoxetine and other SSRI drugs work to fight depression.

What data supports this dogma? A group of psychiatrists has examined relevant studies and concluded that the evidence is not there. Dr. Joanna Moncrieff describes their investigation.

Examining Dogma on Psychiatric Drugs:

Both Dr. Schrag and Dr. Moncrieff have created controversy by challenging existing dogma on the drugs used to treat these devastating conditions. Please note that neither is asserting that the relevant drugs do not work. Rather, they are asking questions about the underlying assumptions of how they work. Unquestioning acceptance of such dogma is not in the interests of science or medicine.

What Are the Consequences of Accepting Neuroscience Dogma?

In the case of Alzheimer disease, an almost exclusive research focus on beta-amyloid has not yet resulted in drugs that help patients function independently, maintain their cognitive capacity or stay out of institutional care. We don’t know whether a wider research net would have produced such treatments.

When it comes to the serotonin theory, Dr. Moncrieff and her colleagues have identified a number of drawbacks when patients believe that their depression is caused by a chemical imbalance in their brains. Most importantly, this belief leads them to take a pessimistic outlook on their depression and to doubt that they can learn to regulate their emotions themselves.

The dominance of this theory affects patients’ willingness to rely on antidepressant drugs. In particular, their beliefs affect the decision of whether to continue or stop taking them. Many people find it quite difficult to stop these medications. Consequently, patients deserve far more guidance in this process than most get.

This Week’s Guests:

Matthew Schrag MD, PhD, is Assistant Professor of Neurology at Vanderbilt University School of Medicine and Director of the Cerebral Amyloid Angiopathy Clinic. The Schrag Lab is focused on discovering shared molecular pathways between Alzheimer’s disease and cerebral amyloid angiopathy. His website is https://medschool.vanderbilt.edu/brain-institute/person/matthew-schrag-m-d-ph-d/

You can find the Science article describing his work on Western blot images here.

Joanna Moncrieff, MD, University College London

Joanna Moncrieff, MD, University College London

Joanna Moncrieff, MD, is Professor of Critical and Social Psychiatry at University College London and works as a consultant in community psychiatry in London. She is one of the founders and the co-chairperson of the Critical Psychiatry Network. She has authored numerous papers and several books including The Myth of the Chemical Cure, The Bitterest Pills: The Troubling Story of Antipsychotic Drugs and A Straight-Talking Introduction to Psychiatric Drugs. Dr. Moncrieff’s article on the serotonin theory of depression is here. Her website is https://joannamoncrieff.com/about/

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0:00.0

I'm Joe Gradyton and I'm Terry Grady welcome to this podcast of the People's Pharmacy.

0:06.1

You can find previous podcasts and more information on a range of health topics at people's pharmacy.com.

0:14.0

When scientists embrace an idea about how things work,

0:18.0

they may abandon critical thinking and stop examining the evidence.

0:23.2

This is the People's Pharmacy with Terry and Joe Grayden. Neuroscientists have accepted the hypothesis that beta amyloid collecting in flaxin the brain causes Alzheimer disease.

0:42.0

Funders have put all their bets on this approach,

0:44.0

and drug companies have spent billions,

0:46.0

developing compounds to reduce amyloid.

0:49.0

We have relatively little to show,

0:52.0

despite all those resources and research are we

0:55.4

working from the wrong hypothesis? psychiatrist talk about the serotonin theory

1:00.2

of depression how strong are the data?

1:02.8

Coming up on the people's pharmacy,

1:04.7

challenging the science of the pandemic, many people did not tell the whole truth about their health status and behavior. In a survey of 1,700 people,

1:26.6

more than 700 admitted that they had cheated on COVID-19 preventive behaviors or misled others about their status.

1:34.4

The survey was conducted online in December 2021 and included equal numbers of people who had

1:40.4

had COVID, those who had not had COVID and were vaccinated, and those who had

1:45.8

experienced neither vaccinations nor COVID infections.

1:50.4

The authors write in Jama Network Open that some people did not disclose a recent or active COVID infection prior to an in-person visit.

1:58.5

Others failed to tell a physician's office or clinic that they had symptoms of COVID or thought they might be infected.

2:05.0

Unvaccinated people sometimes claimed to have been vaccinated,

2:09.0

while others who were supposed to quarantine represented that they were exempt from quarantine.

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