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The People's Pharmacy

Show 1273: Finding Ways to Manage Long COVID

The People's Pharmacy

Joe and Terry Graedon

Kids & Family, Alternative Health, Health & Fitness, Medicine

4.61.2K Ratings

🗓️ 23 September 2021

⏱️ 84 minutes

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Summary

When the COVID pandemic began, doctors thought that patients either recovered fairly quickly or they died. Before long, though, some patients identified themselves as “long haulers” because they were suffering debilitating symptoms for months after their diagnoses, neither dying nor recovering. There are people who become short of breath just walking up a few steps, while others experience dizziness, fatigue, insomnia or brain fog that makes it difficult or impossible to concentrate. What can they do to manage long COVID symptoms? The first step is to recognize that long COVID is real, not psychosomatic.

How to Manage Long COVID:

Dr. Kristin Englund is an infectious disease specialist who runs the reCOVer clinic for people with long COVID at the Cleveland Clinic. To manage long COVID symptoms, her health care providers do a thorough evaluation of each patient’s symptoms. As a result, they are able to connect the patient with the most appropriate specialists throughout the Cleveland Clinic.

Addressing the Cause Could Help Manage Long COVID Symptoms:

Some scientists are trying to figure out why some individuals develop long COVID while others recover promptly from the infection. One research group has found differences in certain white blood cells in people with lingering symptoms. These monocytes carry some of the virus protein (not its RNA) and attach themselves to the walls of blood vessels. The immune system reacts to these protein fragments as if it were fighting off the virus itself. Consequently, the body responds as if it were infected, with symptoms such as fatigue, brain fog, difficulty breathing, loss of the sense of smell and so on.

While this research is preliminary, it offers an intriguing hypothesis about how to manage long COVID. The investigators have tried an anti-HIV drug, maraviroc, in combination with a statin, pravastatin. The maraviroc (Selzentry) affects the monocytes, at least in theory, while the statin calms the inflammation of the blood vessels. If further research supports this approach, it could be a big step forward in the search to manage long COVID symptoms better. Dr. Patterson suggests it may even help people with quite different problems, such as chronic Lyme disease. Presumably monocytes are misbehaving in similar ways in such conditions.

This Week’s Guests:

Kristin Englund, MD, an infectious disease specialist, leads the Cleveland Clinic’s reCOVer clinic for long COVID patients with lingering symptoms. Dr. Englund is board certified in internal medicine with a subspecialty certification in infectious diseases by the American Board of Internal Medicine. She supplied the photograph.
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/departments/respiratory/depts/covid-19-recovery

Bruce K. Patterson, MD, is the CEO & Founder of IncellDx, Inc., a single cell diagnostic company committed to advancing Precision Medicine by offering transformative diagnostic and prognostic clinical patient information based on an innovative technology platform that enables simultaneous cell classification and single cell analysis of proteomic and genomic biomarkers. This research offers clues to medications that can be used to manage long COVID. Previously, Dr. Patterson was the Medical Director of Diagnostic Virology at Stanford University Hospitals and Clinics. https://incelldx.com/who-we-are/

You can read Dr. Patterson’s research papers here, here and here. The link he offered our listeners is here: https://covidlonghaulers.com

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0:00.0

I'm Joe Gradyton and I'm Terry Grady. Welcome to this podcast of the People's Pharmacy.

0:06.1

You can find previous podcasts and more information on a range of health topics at people's pharmacy.com.

0:15.0

Millions of people who have had COVID-19

0:18.0

continue to suffer debilitating symptoms for months.

0:21.0

They're called long haulers. This is the People's Pharmacy with Terry and Joe

0:27.0

Grayden.

0:31.0

Many people who get through the initial COVID infection end up with overwhelming fatigue,

0:40.0

shortness of breath, brain fog, or dizziness on standing.

0:44.0

What is causing such incapacitating symptoms?

0:48.0

Many clinics now offer long COVID patients a variety of treatments for the broad range of symptoms they suffer.

0:56.1

The director of the Recover Clinic at the Cleveland Clinic describes their program.

1:01.9

A research group thinks it's found the cause and a potential treatment.

1:06.2

Coming up on the People's Pharmacy, finding ways to manage long COVID. In the People's Pharmacy Health Headlines, an outbreak in a Texas prison reveals

1:20.0

how contagious the Delta variant of COVID-19 is even for people who are vaccinated.

1:26.8

There were 233 prisoners in this part of the facility.

1:30.5

79% of them, 185 individuals, were fully vaccinated.

1:37.0

This summer, three-fourths of the prison population caught COVID.

1:41.5

39 out of 42 unvaccinated prisoners were infected. That's 93%.

1:47.8

On the other hand, 129 out of 185 fully vaccinated people came down with the virus. That's 70%. Of the 172 individuals

1:59.6

who were infected, four needed to be hospitalized. Three of these were unvaccinated, including the

2:06.6

one who died. The Moderna vaccination appeared to provide better protection than the Pfizer-Bionantec vaccine.

2:15.0

One of the most important lessons from this outbreak is that fully vaccinated people are still quite

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