Show 1234: How Microbes Evolve to Become Enemies or Allies
The People's Pharmacy
Joe and Terry Graedon
4.6 • 1.2K Ratings
🗓️ 6 November 2020
⏱️ 60 minutes
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Summary
The SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus behind COVID-19 is changing. This should not be a surprise, since microbes evolve by nature. What implications might this have for the infection in future months? We speak with an evolutionary biologist to see how his perspective can illuminate the pandemic.
How Do Microbes Evolve?
SARS-CoV-2 is a coronavirus that evolved initially in bats. How can microbes that have adapted to one species leap into a different species–say, from a bat to a pangolin or a human being? What sorts of changes will it make along the way? We consider other examples of microbes that have moved to new host species. What does this suggest about COVID-19? In addition, we’ll look at the interaction with our immune systems as microbes evolve.
Are Microbes the Hidden Cause of Some Chronic Diseases?
A number of chronic conditions that are difficult to treat may be traced in part to infection with certain microbes. Some doctors don’t believe patients suffer chronic Lyme disease. In this case, they recognize the pathogen, Borrelia burgdorferi, but no one has proven it causes the persistent health problem. On the other hand, many clinicians doubt that there are microbes behind chronic fatigue syndrome. Unfortunately, researchers have not yet identified them conclusively. Moreover, although scientists have demonstrated links between heart disease and oral microbes, few cardiologists test their patients for these germs.
Initially, we consider some important questions. How would microbes evolve from agents that cause acute illness to those that cause chronic disease? What role do our immune systems play in these developments? Furthermore, what does this mean for people recovering from COVID-19? We worry that when microbes evolve, some individuals may end up suffering long-haul coronavirus symptoms. Finally, how can evolutionary biology help us understand such issues more fruitfully?
This Week’s Guest:
Paul Ewald, PhD, is an evolutionary biologist, specializing in the evolutionary ecology of parasitism, evolutionary medicine, agonistic behavior, and pollination biology.
He is Professor of Biology at the University of Louisville, in Louisville, Kentucky. His books include Plague Time: The New Germ Theory of Disease and Evolution of Infectious Disease.
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| 1:14.0 | A century ago, a flu epidemic caught the world by surprise. |
| 1:18.0 | We're again struggling with a pandemic. |
| 1:21.0 | Should we have been ready? This is the People's Pharmacy with Terry and Joe Grady. |
| 1:27.0 | How can evolutionary biology illuminate the spread of the coronavirus? |
| 1:38.0 | Are pathogens responsible for some of our most debilitating chronic conditions |
| 1:43.0 | like heart disease, multiple sclerosis, |
| 1:45.7 | or even Alzheimer disease? |
| 1:47.4 | Many people think of COVID-19 |
| 1:49.5 | as a temporary infection, |
| 1:51.6 | but there are increasing cases of long-haul syndrome. |
| 1:55.4 | Some people who have mild infections report long-lasting debilitating symptoms. |
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