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Today, Explained

Should women be in combat?

Today, Explained

Vox

Daily News, Politics, News

4.49.5K Ratings

🗓️ 22 May 2025

⏱️ 28 minutes

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Summary

Combat roles have been open to women for a decade, but President Donald Trump's Pentagon still questions whether women can be lethal. Army veteran Emelie Vanasse says the debate over women's battlefield fitness is long settled. This episode was produced by Victoria Chamberlin with help from Denise Guerra, edited by Miranda Kennedy, fact checked by Laura Bullard, engineered by Andrea Kristinsdottir and Patrick Boyd and hosted by Noel King. Listen to Today, Explained ad-free by becoming a Vox Member: vox.com/members. Transcript at vox.com/today-explained-podcast. Army veteran Emilie Vanass outside Army Ranger School at Camp Rogers in Fort Benning, GA. Image courtesy Emilie Vanass. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Secretary of Defense Pete Hegeseth came into his job promising a war on

0:05.1

wokeness and weakness in the U.S. military.

0:07.8

No more pronouns, no more climate change obsession, no more emergency vaccine mandates,

0:16.5

no more dudes in dresses.

0:19.1

We're done with that shit.

0:24.6

Hegzeth has taken aim at women.

0:29.5

He's challenged the idea that women should serve in combat roles, as they have for 10 years now.

0:30.0

He's danced around whether women make the military less lethal, including at his Senate

0:34.8

confirmation hearing.

0:35.8

You're making these generalized statements.

0:36.7

Commanders meet quotas to have a certain number of female infantry officers or infantry including at his Senate confirmation hearing. You're making these generalized statements.

0:37.5

...commanders meet quotas to have a certain number of female infantry officers or infantry enlisted,

0:42.5

and that disparages those women who are incredibly capable of meeting that standard.

0:47.8

Next month, he's updating the Army fitness test to make it more difficult

0:51.5

and to make the standards the same for men and women.

0:55.2

Coming up on today, explained, The War Over Women Warfighters.

1:01.5

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