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Matter of Opinion

Should We Put the Filibuster Out of Its Misery?

Matter of Opinion

New York Times Opinion

Society & Culture, Ross Douthat, News, New York Times, Journalism

4.27.2K Ratings

🗓️ 24 February 2021

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

The first episode of “The Argument” with Jane Coaston gets right into the heart of the cyclical debate: Should the filibuster be killed once and for all? Democrats control the White House and Congress for the first time in a decade, giving them the opportunity to pass major new legislation, and the only thing standing in their way is the filibuster. That parliamentary procedure effectively pushes the number of votes needed to pass a bill in the Senate from 51 to 60. Which is why the filibuster is typically beloved by the party in the minority, and railed against by the majority. If Democrats kill the filibuster now, what happens when they’re not in power? Arguing against the filibuster is Ezra Klein, a Times Opinion columnist and policy wonk. Defending the procedure and its merits is Jessica Anderson, the executive director of Heritage Action for America. And Jane doesn’t trust either of them. Referenced in this episode: Kevin D. Williamson in National Review on how filibusters are useful in a democracy. Ezra Klein on ending the filibuster, and in conversation with a former Senate staff member, Adam Jentleson, on that chamber becoming a legislative black hole. Heritage Action for America on rejecting efforts to abolish the legislative filibuster. Joe Coscarelli on Daft Punk’s breakup after 28 years and six Grammys. Share your arguments with us: We want to hear what you’re arguing about with your family, your friends and your frenemies. Leave us a voice mail message at (347) 915-4324. We may use excerpts from your audio in a future episode. You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of "The Argument" at nytimes.com/the-argument, and you can find Jane on Twitter @janecoaston. Special thanks to Viki Merrick and Shannon Busta. “The Argument” is produced by Elisa Gutierrez, Phoebe Lett and Vishakha Darbha and edited by Alison Bruzek; fact-checking by Kate Sinclair; music and sound design by Isaac Jones.

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0:00.0

Today on the argument, should Democrats kill the filibuster?

0:07.0

President-elect Joe Biden is under pressure from some in his party to reform what's known

0:15.0

as the filibuster in the Senate.

0:17.0

It is a rule designed to allow a minority of senators to prevent a vote on an issue by continuing to debate it.

0:24.0

But the reality of the filibuster is paralysis.

0:28.0

If your legislation can't pass the Senate, you don't scrap the rule.

0:31.0

If the Republicans, if there's no way to move, other than getting rid of the filibuster, that's what we'll do.

0:40.0

For the first time in 10 years, Democrats control the White House and both houses of Congress.

0:45.0

But there is a major roadblock standing between them and their sweeping legislative agenda.

0:51.0

It's the filibuster.

0:53.0

A powerful procedural weapon the filibuster effectively creates a 60-vote minimum to pass most laws.

0:59.0

Democrats only have 51 votes at the moment, including Vice President Harris's tiebreaker.

1:05.0

Finding enough Republicans to break rank just isn't going to happen.

1:09.0

Which means the big ideas, strengthening voting rights, agreeing new deal, or a pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants?

1:17.0

None of it is likely to pass unless Democrats push the filibuster off a cliff.

1:24.0

I'm Jane Kostin.

1:27.0

With the future of the filibuster up for debate once again, I've invited two people on today's show to argue for and against.

1:34.0

Of course, I've got some pretty strong feelings for my own on the issue. Just wait for it.

1:39.0

Ezra Klein is an opinion columnist of the New York Times and host of the Ezra Klein Show.

1:44.0

Jessica Anderson is executive director at Heritage Action for America.

1:48.0

A conservative group based here in Washington, D.C.

1:51.0

Hello, Ezra. It is always nice to see you.

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