Hey everyone, I'm Amy Scott, host of How We Survive.

And today's episode of Burning Questions explores a controversial idea, the use of sabotage

in the climate movement.

In this book, how to blow up a pipeline, Andreas Maulm argues that peaceful protest isn't

cutting it, and climate activists need to step up their tactics and damage or destroy

the physical things that are hurting the climate, including taking the air out of SUV tires

or even blowing up oil and gas pipelines.

It raises some pretty provocative questions, and this year a film came out inspired by

the book.

It's a fictional story about eight people who banned together to blow up a pipeline in

Texas.

Today, we're going to hear from two of the filmmakers, director Daniel Goldhaber and

a writer-producer and lead actor in the film, Ariela Barere, about how they made the movie

and this question of whether sabotage has a role in the climate movement.

So our burning question today is, should we just blow it all up?

And by blow it up, I mean, what role, if any, should violence have in climate activism?

I think the first thing that I would say in response to that question is even just the

way it's framed and the usage of the word violence, I think is a really pertinent one, because

I think that there are so many ways that the language that we use in the way that we

just discussed the basics of climate change has framed the debate in a way that I think

is actually unwinnable.

You know, why is it that an oil refinery that pollutes the air and the water and blights

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