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The Europeans | European news, politics and culture

Should we be worried about Russian drones in NATO’s skies?

The Europeans | European news, politics and culture

Katy Lee and Dominic Kraemer

Society & Culture, News

4.8274 Ratings

🗓️ 18 September 2025

⏱️ 51 minutes

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Summary

There’s no denying it’s been a pretty dark week, but we’ve got a couple of bright spots for you. What could be a better job than dreaming up ways that Europe could be improved? That’s what this week’s guest, Johanna Fabrin, does each day at the Copenhagen think tank 21st Europe. Ahead of our miniseries Who Does It Best, Dominic sat down with Johanna to talk about the group’s “blueprints” for the continent, the importance of optimism, and who, exactly, is going to pay for a fantasy train system that links all of Europe together like a massive metro line.  And not to be too negative, but…we decided it was a pretty Bad Week for basically all of the western world, thanks to the Russian drone incursion into Poland and Romania. But! It was a Good Week (er, a marginally, “meekly” better week) for the European Union, which is finally—finally—taking some overdue action regarding the war in Gaza. Did Ursula von der Leyen tune into our episode from a couple of weeks ago? We suspect yes.  You can learn more about what 21st Europe is up to on their website and on Instagram. Also mentioned in this episode: Simply Shada, the new Substack created by the brilliant former Europeans guest Shada Islam and the interview with Finland's President Alexander Stubb.  This week's Inspiration Station recommendations are visiting countries in transition/The Wojciech Oleksiak Dua Lipa Tour of Pristina* and the David Szalay novel Flesh. *Restrictions apply, see Wojciech for details This podcast was brought to you in cooperation with Euranet Plus, the leading radio network for EU news. But it’s contributions from listeners that truly make it all possible—we could not continue to make the show without you! If you like what we do, you can chip in to help us cover our production costs at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠patreon.com/europeanspodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (in many different currencies), or you can gift a donation to a superfan. We'd also love it if you could tell two friends about this podcast. We think two feels like a reasonable number. Timestamps 00:00:47 Intro: Is it just us or are we all feeling like half-deflated balloons?00:03:17 Bad Week: Russian drone incursion 00:18:05 Good Week: The EU steps up in Gaza war00:32:21 Interview: Johanna Fabrin of 21st Europe00:44:11 The Inspiration Station: Wojciech’s tour of Kosovo and David Szalay’s novel Flesh00:47:41 Happy Ending: Austrian nun convent break-in Producers: Morgan Childs and Wojciech OleksiakMixing and mastering: Wojciech OleksiakMusic: Jim Barne and Mariska MartinaYouTube | Bluesky | Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | Mastodon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | [email protected]

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0:00.0

This podcast has been produced in cooperation with Uranet Plus, the leading radio network for EU news.

0:11.4

But this podcast would not be possible without the incredibly generous support of our amazing listeners who donate a little bit each month at patreon.com forward slash Europeans

0:22.8

podcast. Hello and welcome to the Europeans, the podcast once described by the observer as providing a buoyant take on European life.

0:57.5

I'm Dominic Kramer, tuning in from Amsterdam, and I'm speaking to Vojik Alexiak in Warsaw.

1:03.0

Hi, Vojek.

1:04.0

Hi, hello. How are you doing?

1:06.0

Yeah, well, I have to admit I'm not sure how buoyant I'm feeling this week.

1:14.3

More like a kind of half-deflated balloon, if I'm honest.

1:15.9

How about you?

1:17.3

Yeah, same.

1:20.7

You know, there's been better weeks, but we have to keep on keeping on, right?

1:22.6

Yeah, I guess so.

1:25.9

It just feels like the proto-fascists have won this round.

1:29.6

But we've got to pick ourselves up, regroup and find some new arguments and new methods to beat these fascistic forces, right?

1:35.0

Yeah, exactly. It feels like we're doing this every Monday, so yeah, let's keep on, keep

1:40.0

in on.

1:41.0

Yeah, let's. How's your week be?

1:43.7

My week's been very, very busy, but I wasn't the busiest being on this planet because

1:49.1

I got to visit an apiary.

1:52.1

An apiary is a place with bees, right?

1:55.7

Yeah, I just learned a minute ago.

1:57.9

I visited a place where there are a lot of beehives and there was this

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