Should Ukraine be more grateful for Western weapons?
Ukrainecast
BBC
4.7 • 1K Ratings
🗓️ 14 July 2023
⏱️ 31 minutes
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Summary
Should Ukraine be more grateful to the West for its military and financial support?
After the UK Defence Secretary Ben Wallace said "people want to see gratitude" from Kyiv, BBC security correspondent Gordon Corera and Politico’s Lara Seligman look at the big talking point from this week’s Nato summit — and assess whether Ukraine should be pleased or disappointed by the commitments made.
And we hear from Dalia Stasevska, the Ukrainian-Finnish conductor at the first night of the BBC Proms, about why Russian musicians need to be pressured into using their platforms to criticise the war.
Today’s episode is presented by Victoria Derbyshire and Gabriel Gatehouse. The producers were Arsenii Sokolov, Clare Williamson, Ivana Davidovic and Tom Smithard. The technical producer was Mike Regaard. The series producer is Tim Walklate. The senior news editor is Sam Bonham. Email Ukrainecast@bbc.co.uk with your questions and comments. You can also send us a message or voice note via WhatsApp, Signal or Telegram to +44 330 1239480
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| 0:00.0 | BBC sounds, music, radio, podcasts. |
| 0:04.8 | Hello, it's 506 days since Russia began its full-scale invasion of Ukraine and Gabriel's |
| 0:11.0 | back with us. Hi, Gabriel. Hi, Rick. How are you? I'm very well, thank you. And Alina |
| 0:17.2 | Spitalina was at the Wimbledon Semifinals yesterday and as well as loads of people in this |
| 0:23.5 | country and around the world, probably half of Kiev was watching her as well. |
| 0:30.5 | This match is very important for the country because each point she wins is the victory for |
| 0:42.9 | the whole country. It gives faith and wings to us and not only us but to our defenders as |
| 0:48.7 | well. There wouldn't be people defending our country without sports and sports education. |
| 0:57.7 | Guys, women, thanks to sports, they have this strong will. This is the true Ukrainian spirit |
| 1:04.7 | of Kozak. Those were some of the voices in Kiev who have been watching the match and you |
| 1:13.2 | could hear what kind of support she had in Wimbledon on court and in the stands as well. |
| 1:19.2 | And it wasn't just a competition for tennis greats as Alina said herself clearly, really |
| 1:24.2 | emotional, understandably, after the match. It was about bringing inspiration to a country |
| 1:29.1 | ground down by more than 500 days of war. For sure, it's a big motivation but also as |
| 1:35.2 | you mentioned, it's a lot of responsibility, a lot of tension. I try to balance it as much |
| 1:45.2 | as I can. But yeah, sometimes it gets maybe too much. |
| 1:52.2 | Alina may be out of Wimbledon but her compatriot, Ludmila Kichenok of Ukraine won the mix doubles |
| 1:59.1 | final with Matte Pavic of Croatia. There is another Ukrainian performing in London tonight, |
| 2:05.1 | determined to bolster national pride and we will be hearing from her later. |
| 2:10.1 | And talking a little bit about how we address this balance of Russian artists, Russian sport, |
| 2:18.1 | people, Russian cultural figures and their support for Ukraine if they have it and how there can be |
| 2:27.1 | space for that. And we have a beautiful message from one of our listeners for US journalist |
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