The Marxists, it's about turn down traditional institutions,

turn down the family, turn down the church,

turn down the schools, just tear it all down.

They don't have anything to replace it with.

And one of the things, if you want to control people,

then you have to get rid of critical thinking.

And I learned critical thinking.

Boy, did I learn critical thinking.

But in college, I can remember, sure, there were some Marxist professors and liberal professors,

but I got exposed to conservative ideas, and I had to grapple with some things that made me feel

uncomfortable. And so critical thinking, that's developed by opposing ideas and you have to

thank your way through and you have to figure out what you believe. That's what is missing,

I believe, in American education. So there's a lot of indoctrination, but not exposing people to

ideas so they can grapple and figure out what they believe.

Well, welcome to culture and Christianity. Our objective, as I often say, is to take our faith outside the walls of the church.

A Christianity that remains theoretical inside a church building and sermons and Sunday school classes

is not what we're called to biblically. We're salt and light. We have to be culture changers.

And I am excited today. My guest is Dr. Carol Swain. Welcome back. Well, thank you so much.

I am so thankful for your voice. Take just a minute. You know, you have your Dr. Carol Swain with a PhD

and faculty at Princeton and Vanderbilt, and we know the person with all the achievement

and a mayoral candidate in Nashville and I hear your voice in so many places very appreciatively. But your life didn't start

out just easy. Can you give us just a brief? I know we've talked about it before, but somebody

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