Hey friends, welcome back to another episode of Theology to Ra. My guest today is my friend, Dr.

Julia Sideski, who is a licensed clinical psychologist, author, and speaker who specializes in

sexuality, gender, and faith. She's written several books in this area, and she recently

submitted in Amicus Brief, no, amicus brief is apparently the correct pronunciation regarding some

laws surrounding sexual orientation change efforts in the state of Colorado. This has become a

really big issue, especially among Christians in Colorado. And that's where we go. And man,

I learned a lot from this conversation.

Julia is always so clear and wise.

And even when I push back, she always responds so graciously and makes me think like, huh, okay, actually maybe didn't understand everything I was saying.

So anyway, welcome back to the show, the one and only, Julia Sideski.

Julia Sideski, welcome back to Theology and Narav.

Hi, Preston.

It's good to be with you.

So glad to have you back on. You've been on at least two times, I think.

So this is a kind of a different context. So you recently submitted, okay, so I was saying

amicus brief, but it's amicus brief is the actual pronunciation.

Allegedly, that's right.

Allegedly. Regarding some stuff going on in Colorado, regarding laws surrounding conversion

therapy. We'll get into that in just one second. What is an amicus brief for those who don't

know? Yeah. So I didn't know until a little over a month ago. And it's apparently

that any time the U.S. Supreme Court has taken up a case, there are expert witnesses that submit

kind of letters or documentation on behalf of both parties in the case. And then there's these

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