Welcome to Off Message. I'm Isaac DeVare.

So should the president fire Jeff Sessions?

I will leave to the president who should be on his cabinet. I am deeply concerned that the

attorney general has become an employee at the Justice Department and is not truly leading that

agency. That sounds like a yes. I still think there's time for Jeff Sessions to do the right

thing, which is why I'm reticent to say yes. I think that Jeff says... But the right thing here would be

to call in Bob Mueller and say, that's it. Well, to call in Bob Mueller and say, where are we? Is there

evidence of collusion that justifies a continuation of the investigation? If there is, I think that 14 months into the Trump presidency, we should know it. And if there's not, then let's go ahead and wrap this thing out.

Well, he's recused himself. So, like, he wouldn't be the one to do that, right? But it would be Rod Rosenstein who would do that, right?

I believe that that recusal is not required under the law. And I believe it could be rescinded.

Today's guest, Matt Gates, the freshman Florida Republican congressman, who's turned

himself into a media phenomenon in Washington by embracing pretty much everything President

Trump has said about the Russian investigation and saying yes to pretty much every interview

request that's come in to talk about it.

Usually, I'm not eager to spend time here on the podcast with people that are showing up

everywhere else. The point is to bring you voices and conversations you're probably not getting

plastered all over cable and the Sunday shows and quote in every article you read. Well, Gates

is a voice you've heard if you've been paying attention, but I think this conversation is different,

because a different thing happens when you spend a little more than 30 seconds talking about these questions.

And that's what we did.

We've been trying to schedule this podcast for a while with Gates.

The complicated thing about scheduling an interview with him, I discovered, is that he's busy with so many other interviews.

...