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Should NATO invite Ukraine?

Amanpour

CNN

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4.11K Ratings

🗓️ 29 June 2023

⏱️ 56 minutes

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Summary

The deadly Russian missile attack on a busy restaurant in Ukraine this week has left the country reeling, and the pressure is on NATO allies to start forging a proper route towards permanent security guarantees for Ukraine. President Zelensky this week stepped up calls for an invitation to join the alliance, and the critical question of whether to proceed will dominate NATO’s summit in Vilnius in two weeks’ time. Anders Fogh Rasmussen is the former secretary general of NATO and a former prime minister of Denmark, now advising the government in Kyiv, and he believes all of Europe’s security would be strengthened by inviting Ukraine into the alliance. Historian and author Stephen Wertheim represents a different view, recently arguing in The New York Times that “Ukraine’s best path to peace is to be well armed and supported outside NATO.” They join the show to discuss.  Also on today's show: former tennis champion Billie Jean King; author Darrin Bell  To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hello everyone and welcome to Amampur. Here's what's coming up.

0:07.0

I do not even know how to describe it. My son was killed in the war and now this.

0:16.0

As the war continues to take a deep human toll, the question is has the time come for Ukraine to join NATO?

0:24.2

Ahead of its crucial summit, we debate with former Secretary General Anders Fo Rasmussen

0:29.5

and historian Stephen Wirthheim.

0:32.4

It gave us one voice and power.

0:35.0

50 years since she created the Women's Tennis Association,

0:39.0

trailblazing icon Billy Jean King,

0:42.0

on how it changed the game, the issues facing female athletes to this day

0:47.2

Then the talk Pulitzer Prize winner Darren Bell on his stunning new graphic memoir, an intimate look with police brutality

0:56.1

and how it impacts black families across America. Oh, Welcome to the program everyone. I'm Christina Manpur in London. Almost 500 days of war and the pain

1:26.0

inflicted on Ukraine shows no sign of abating. In fact, it can come at any time and anywhere. In Kramatorsk, parents have to bury children now after a missile strike on a busy

1:38.6

restaurant this week. The attack on civilians has left the country reeling.

1:43.2

And the pressure is on NATO allies to start forging a proper route towards permanent

1:48.3

security guarantees for Ukraine.

1:50.4

President Zelensky this week stepped up his calls for an invitation to join the

1:55.3

alliance and this critical question will dominate NATO's summit in Vilnius in

2:00.1

two weeks time. And as F Fo Rasmussen is the former Secretary General of NATO and the former Prime Minister of Denmark,

2:07.8

he now advises the government in Kyiv, and he believes all of Europe's security is strengthened by inviting Ukraine into NATO.

2:16.0

Meanwhile, historian and author Stephen Wertheim represents the different view.

2:21.0

Recently writing in the New York Times that Ukraine's best

2:24.9

path to peace is to be well-armed and supported outside NATO. Gentlemen, welcome

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