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Spiegel & Holmes Show

Should Matt Shaw start Game 4 for the Cubs?

Spiegel & Holmes Show

Audacy

Sports

4.2652 Ratings

🗓️ 9 October 2025

⏱️ 8 minutes

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Summary

Matt Spiegel and Laurence Holmes bring you Chicago sports talk with great opinions, guests and fun. Join Spiegel and Holmes as they discuss the Bears, Blackhawks, Bulls, Cubs and White Sox and delve into the biggest sports storylines of the day. Recurring guests include Bears cornerback Jaylon Johnson, former Bears coach Dave Wannstedt, former Bears center Olin Kreutz, Cubs manager Craig Counsell, Cubs second baseman Nico Hoerner and MLB Network personality Jon Morosi. Catch the show live Monday through Friday (2 p.m. - 6 p.m. CT) on 670 The Score, the exclusive audio home of the Cubs and the Bulls, or on the Audacy app.

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0:00.0

I think he had some at bats against the Padres that were not very good at bats.

0:04.0

He had some poor at bats against the Padres.

0:07.0

You know, was it the stuff, son, whatever, you know, shadows, he had some poor at bats.

0:13.0

And you got to, like, kind of own up to that, right?

0:16.0

I think he had a really good at bat on a walk, doing a walk, drawing a walk yesterday, that I thought it was a positive sign.

0:24.5

I think he's made a play in the ninth inning on Thursday.

0:28.0

That was a tough play and a huge play.

0:32.6

So, you know, in four games so far, hasn't done much offensively, yes.

0:38.2

And we need every bit of every person's contribution for sure,

0:42.4

but optimistic that he can get it going.

0:46.0

It's Craig Counsel talking about Matthew Shaw,

0:50.6

who is having a rough go of it.

0:54.3

Yeah, I don't think he can be in this lineup tonight.

0:56.8

And that's what I texted you guys last night during the middle of the game.

1:00.6

I just don't...

1:01.7

The at-bats are just thoroughly non-competitive.

1:05.5

And defensively, he's been very solid as he has been.

1:09.1

And he can come into this game late for defense if you need it.

1:12.0

But I don't think you can punt on the offense as completely and obviously as he is. And I looked

1:18.0

at some of the numbers. He's not swinging very much. And when he is swinging, he's got a, he's not

1:23.5

really making contact in the field of play at all.

1:28.2

I believe it's a 0% contact rate.

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