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Good Guy / Bad Guy

Should Khamzat Be #1 P4P? + WWE Superstar Bronson Reed Stops By

Good Guy / Bad Guy

ESPN Radio

Sports

4.42.7K Ratings

🗓️ 21 August 2025

⏱️ 38 minutes

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Summary

On today’s episode of Good Guy / Bad Guy, Chael & DC continue the conversation centered around the new UFC Middleweight champion, Khamzat Chimaev. Following his win vs Dricus Du Plessis, Khamzat told Chael that he should be the #1 Pound-4-Pound fighter in the UFC… Well, he came in at #4 this week, so do the guys believe that is the correct ranking or should he be higher? Khamzat Chimaev. Merab Dvalishvili. Kayla Harrison. These are just a few names that are UFC champions and their background is in wrestling. So that got DC + Chael thinking… Are we in the “era of the wrestler” in the UFC right now? Plus, what is the biggest fight the UFC can make right now; Khamzat vs Islam or Islam vs Ilia? Sticking with matchmaking, with two big fights booked at middleweight, who will come out the #1 contender? And, on the heels of the WWE x ESPN partnership announcement starting on September 20th with WWE Wrestlepalooza, WWE Superstar Bronson Reed joins the show! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

I said maybe in Paris might be the time I have to do a shooey outside of Roman shoe.

0:05.0

To do it out of Romans is a little bit different.

0:07.0

You know, I think that's going to set the tone and show people that I mean business.

0:11.0

What's happening guys? Welcome to another episode of Good Guy, Bad Guy. I'm Cail. He's Daniel. Where should we begin? Chale P. Are you with me? Hey, there's a guy named Kirk Franklin. There's a guy named Kirk Franklin that always says, G. P, are you with me? It's his song, right? And his song. So I'm like, yo, chill P, are you with me? I'm still in Kirk Franklin at this point. Chil P, I'm full of energy.

0:21.9

I got up at 6.30 this morning. I got me a run in. I was on club. Shea, Shea yesterday. Massive platform. Life is good. Life is good, Chil P. Coach Cal kicked you off. That workout that we got forced to do last week, That kicked you off. I've been exercising as well. Yeah, I had a training lab t-shirt on. I'm like, train the lab, let's go. Coach Cal, hey, how in the world? Okay, let's pull the curtain back. We were disappointed when we saw Coach Cow. Let's just tell, let's tell everybody. We thought we were going to interview him. We had no idea we were going through the training lab. Let's just tell the people, Chale, we were private conversations. You and I are in the bathroom going, this is crazy. This is crazy, right? Daniel, when he told me I thought he was joking. he was joking. I was smiling the whole time he was telling me that he's about to put me and Daniel

1:10.9

through 10 rounds because I was waiting for him to go, ha ha, could you imagine if we really did that? There never came a ha ha, and the next thing I knew, we were actually doing that. They were sweating, we're both exhausted, we're on that thing, They were on our knees on that thing and still struggling.

1:46.0

Well, it was the hardest workout I've done in a really long time. And we barely did anything. It's crazy. But obviously it works, right? Because look at how good Hamzad looked in terms of his cardio.

1:56.0

Hamzad looked phenomenal in terms of his cardio, so it worked. Cheo.

2:07.8

Speaking of Hamzaa Chimayev, you get a champion like this who has long been thought to be the best in his weight class.

2:10.3

He wins the championship, becomes the world champ.

2:14.0

Then they ask him, post-fight show, you guys are sitting with him, you and Dustin Porey and he said, where should you be ranked in the Pompon Rankin's next week? He goes, number one, hands down. He's not number one, Chil. He's number four. Where would you have put Hamzaa Tchamaya in this week's rankings? I kind of liked number four. I felt like it settled in. Look, here's the thing with

2:35.0

Ilya. I don't know how you can replace him regardless of skills just on, on paper. On paper,

2:40.8

he should be, or at least could be, the 45 pound, 55 pound, and BMF champion. He could

2:47.1

be. He didn't lose any of those fights. In fact, he won all the fights to make him out. I

2:51.2

got to put him number one, Islam. The only reason I can't argue Islam and I got to put him

2:55.4

at two is he currently has no championships. I am forced to put a current champion in front of a guy

3:01.0

that looks really good. Islam looks really good, but he's got no belt. And when I do look at

3:07.0

what... What Jamiev had to do to get to the number

3:12.3

first spot, which is don't forget, DDP was number five.

3:15.8

So we knew there had to be some kind of a switching with DDP.

3:20.0

Chameh wasn't in the top 10 at all.

3:21.6

So I think for your debut in the top 10 to come in number

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