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Hi, Couch Detectives.

Welcome to Murder She Watch, the podcast where we solve murders from our

couches. My name's Amy Archer. I'm your host. And today you're going to hear my conversation

with Mary Payne Gilbert, host of the reality TV podcast, Pink Shade. Highly recommend you go over there

and listen, especially if you're a Bravo fan every Thursday, she is pop and Bravo episodes.

And she's always talking to somebody interesting.

So I highly recommend Pinkshade podcast.

I was thrilled to have this conversation with my pal, Mary Payne.

If you don't know, I used to be on Pinkshade for quite a while as a co-host, and we went through a lot of

reality trash together. Here's our conversation. I hope you enjoy it. Okay, Mary Payne, I have a question

for you. Shall I marry a murderer? Mother shall I sleep at danger. No. I don't care if he's hot.

I do think a big part of this show was the addiction. And I think that if your boyfriend, even if he's the nicest guy you've ever met who

doesn't think you're too much, you know, put down the cocaine, head back to your profession, and tell the police and move on with it.

I love how David Green, and we'll get to him.

I love how he keeps bouncing in being like, but she's so smart.

And I'm like, dude, you have no idea the power of a hot trash man, clearly.

Right. Like no amount of college education is going to overcome that.

You know, and I think she was so into going out there and seeing the beauty of the land and the way

that he lived. It was beautiful. It was so beautiful. And then, but she was saying it was COVID times, but I was like, it seems like it was like late 2020 or 2021.

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