Should Creationism Be Taught Alongside Evolution?

Into the Impossible With Brian Keating

Brian Keating

Science, Physics, Natural Sciences

4.7 • 1.1K Ratings

🗓️ 4 June 2025

⏱️ 62 minutes

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In a world increasingly shaped by science and technology, how do we determine what constitutes truth? What role does society play in shaping scientific knowledge consensus? And what are the implications for the future of research and innovation? In this episode, I sit down with Steve Fuller, a renowned sociologist of science from the University of Warwick in the UK, for a thought-provoking conversation. Steve and I explore the deep connections between science and sociology, discussing how science can learn from sociology and vice versa. Steve challenges conventional wisdom and invites us to critically examine the complex interplay between science, society, and the pursuit of knowledge. With a passion for exploring the philosophical underpinnings of science, he shares his insights on social epistemology, the philosophy of science, and the evolving role science should play in society, especially in an increasingly polarized world. — 🔒 Remove your personal information from the web at https://JoinDeleteMe.com/KEATING and use code KEATING for 20% off 🙌 DeleteMe international Plans: https://international.joindeleteme.com Please join my mailing list here 👉 https://briankeating.com/list to win a meteorite 💥 — Key Takeaways: 00:00:00 Intro 00:00:33 Steve’s origin story 00:04:14 Philosophy of science 00:08:47 Thomas Kuhn and the nature of scientific revolutions 00:17:23 DeleteMe 00:18:59 The Science Wars Conference and the role of social agendas 00:28:20 The Kitzmiller vs. Dover case 00:39:44 Intelligent design and peer review 00:51:55 The future of higher education 00:57:41 Scientific iconoclasm vs. conspiracy thinking 01:00:56 Outro — Additional resources: ➡️ Learn more about Steve Fuller: ✖️ Twitter: https://x.com/ProfSteveFuller/ 💻 Website: https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/sociology/staff/sfuller/ ➡️ Follow me on your fav platforms: ✖️ Twitter:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/DrBrianKeating⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 🔔 YouTube:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.youtube.com/DrBrianKeating?sub_confirmation=1⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 📝 Join my mailing list:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://briankeating.com/list⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ✍️ Check out my blog:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://briankeating.com/cosmic-musings/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 🎙️ Follow my podcast:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://briankeating.com/podcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ — Into the Impossible with Brian Keating is a podcast dedicated to all those who want to explore the universe within and beyond the known. Make sure to follow so you never miss an episode! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:30.0	Those sorts of assumptions that we make about the pursuit of science, certainly in the physical
0:35.1	sciences, comes from this idea of getting into the
0:37.8	mind of God. In a world that's increasingly shaped by science and technology, how do we actually
0:42.5	determine what constitutes truth? In this episode with a renowned colleague and friend Steve Fuller,
0:48.1	we're going to engage in a thought-provoking conversation. He's a sociologist of science who challenges
0:52.7	conventional wisdom, who invites us to critically examine the complex interplay between science, society, and the pursuit of knowledge. And he's fearless.
1:00.5	Steve, how are you, my friend?
1:01.8	I'm doing fine, Brian. Thanks for having me on.
1:04.2	So today we're going to talk about a lot of things. But, you know, I think more than anything, my audience will probably be unfamiliar with your research. So I would say first,
1:12.6	what you should do is what we usually judge books by their covers. You've written books,
1:17.3	but we're not going to discuss them necessarily in great detail today. But we are going to talk
1:21.5	about the kind of connections that you've had in science policy and social and legal policy.
1:27.0	And I wonder if you could just give us
1:28.2	your origin story, you know, as a cosmologist, I'm always fascinated by origin story. So start with
1:33.0	that. What is your origin story? How did you get to where you are? Because you don't have a
1:36.1	British accent, and yet you've been ensconced in British luxury for years now. So take it away,
1:41.4	Steve. Introduce yourself to the audience of The Into the Impossible
1:44.4	Podcast. Okay. Well, first of all, my name is Steve Fuller. I was born in New York City,
1:49.0	and I went to this Jesuit high school, which in a way kind of, in a sense, set me on the path
1:54.5	that I'm in because I realize that having access to the best minds is actually the most
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